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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Harry" data-source="post: 2553291" data-attributes="member: 5468"><p>These therads tend to get garbled, and somewhat nasty, from a couple of reasons:</p><p></p><p>1) People who hate alignment and think those people who use it are stupid, and look for contrived means to set up a situation, or,</p><p></p><p>2) People don't realize that there fixed, definite, and cut-and-dried definition about what the "Lawful Good" thing to do has to be might not be what someone else thinks it is .</p><p></p><p> I'm not saying that is what is happening now, but it will probably happen before the thread is over.</p><p></p><p> Your example has set up a situation in which (apparently) the forces of good have destroyed a tribe of humanoids to such a level that any orc (or whatever) capable of providing for the tribe has been destroyed. This is in itself a contrived situation, but it might be a helpful one, we'll see. Obviously, in most cases, even a full defeat of an attacking horde will not result in the complete destruction of the horde, so the young are not just abandoned in the wild.</p><p></p><p> But suppose that happened. Assuming that humanoids have the same level of free will that huamns and demihumans are expected to have, it would not only be "good", but also expedient to transfer the young to a missionary organization for the purposes of raisong them. This has real-world parallels. If the clash happened because human/deimhuman civizations were encrouching upon humanoid lands, the humanoids would probably be dumped on some equivalent of a reservation. The culture might end, and the tribe would stand an excellent chance of dying out, but not through violence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> See above, if and only if the raid actually did kill *all* of the capable adults. If this sort of thing happens commonly in a campaign, the actions of "good" are the least of your realism worries.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A missionary/reservation system would not go to quite the ridiculously extreme length of considering foster families for each goblin child, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My players have never had a point in which this has happened because even the craziest orcs in my world don't leave the kids sitting out on the hillside while they go rampaging, nor do they fight until every last one of them is dead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps the better question would be if they could ever *start* an aggressive war. After all, if they just sit back when they or their allies are attacked, there would still be suffering inflicted upon the helpless. Answering this question as I see it might be a mistake in this thread as this decision is connected to a number of current political topics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If they don't build orphanages, but send missionaries to the humanoid villages, this is not a problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Harry, post: 2553291, member: 5468"] These therads tend to get garbled, and somewhat nasty, from a couple of reasons: 1) People who hate alignment and think those people who use it are stupid, and look for contrived means to set up a situation, or, 2) People don't realize that there fixed, definite, and cut-and-dried definition about what the "Lawful Good" thing to do has to be might not be what someone else thinks it is . I'm not saying that is what is happening now, but it will probably happen before the thread is over. Your example has set up a situation in which (apparently) the forces of good have destroyed a tribe of humanoids to such a level that any orc (or whatever) capable of providing for the tribe has been destroyed. This is in itself a contrived situation, but it might be a helpful one, we'll see. Obviously, in most cases, even a full defeat of an attacking horde will not result in the complete destruction of the horde, so the young are not just abandoned in the wild. But suppose that happened. Assuming that humanoids have the same level of free will that huamns and demihumans are expected to have, it would not only be "good", but also expedient to transfer the young to a missionary organization for the purposes of raisong them. This has real-world parallels. If the clash happened because human/deimhuman civizations were encrouching upon humanoid lands, the humanoids would probably be dumped on some equivalent of a reservation. The culture might end, and the tribe would stand an excellent chance of dying out, but not through violence. See above, if and only if the raid actually did kill *all* of the capable adults. If this sort of thing happens commonly in a campaign, the actions of "good" are the least of your realism worries. A missionary/reservation system would not go to quite the ridiculously extreme length of considering foster families for each goblin child, etc. My players have never had a point in which this has happened because even the craziest orcs in my world don't leave the kids sitting out on the hillside while they go rampaging, nor do they fight until every last one of them is dead. Perhaps the better question would be if they could ever *start* an aggressive war. After all, if they just sit back when they or their allies are attacked, there would still be suffering inflicted upon the helpless. Answering this question as I see it might be a mistake in this thread as this decision is connected to a number of current political topics. If they don't build orphanages, but send missionaries to the humanoid villages, this is not a problem. [/QUOTE]
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