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Paladins and Good Aligned Folk In War - Are Orc Children Slain?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 2553402" data-attributes="member: 7624"><p>Before you allow your emotional reaction to overcome you and read into what I actually wrote, I must clarify that I wrote I don't see Aragorn and Legolas or Gimli for that matter rescuing wandering orphan orc children in fact I believe they would leave them to the fates to deal with....ie. wolves, weather, whatever. They may not ride them down with their horses hooves but they would not go out of their way to feed and cloth them.....to what possible end? </p><p></p><p>Where do you put the 25 orcish orphan's....in Gondor? Amongst the elves? The dwarves? I read the novels including the Silmirillion and seen the movies and I do not see any culture that would raise one finger to help orc children. If anything in Tolkien's work orcs are more intrinsically base than in core D&D. I can't recall any good orcs mentioned by Tolkien but I may have forgotten as it has been awhile. If not one is mentioned do you think that means anything?</p><p></p><p>I hate evil campaigns for the most part. My argument is that it can be necessary for good folk to put orcish villages to the torch to make sure that in 10 years another horde does not rise and it is the personal code (chivalric for example) that could prevent certain characters from killing the young or non-combatants of any race, not only the anthropomorphic ones mind you. I don't however believe this is merely a question of good or evil.</p><p></p><p>In a previous post I indicated that the dwarves of FR have been genocidally slaughtered by orc horde after orc horde and until recently were on the brink of extinction. I am so sorry if I feel that good guys that willingly allow orcs to breed like rabbits next door to them threatening their own children and womenfolk are STUPID and guilty of a greater evil than the utter annihilation of a species that seems, nearly to a one, hell bent on destroying you and everything you love. </p><p></p><p>I am sorry if your tender sensibilities are so easily offended but if there is a better way than to crush cockroaches and destroy their nests I haven't seen one in the majority of fantasy millieus. I am not promoting evil gaming, I am arguing that in a fully realized, believable setting full of the amount of violence so apparent in D&D that there are very reali consequences to war and sometimes good guys do a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil. In grittier settings the world isn't so easily reduced to 1s and 0s and though hero are heroic they sometimes have to make hard choices for the sake of the good they serve.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Chris</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 2553402, member: 7624"] Before you allow your emotional reaction to overcome you and read into what I actually wrote, I must clarify that I wrote I don't see Aragorn and Legolas or Gimli for that matter rescuing wandering orphan orc children in fact I believe they would leave them to the fates to deal with....ie. wolves, weather, whatever. They may not ride them down with their horses hooves but they would not go out of their way to feed and cloth them.....to what possible end? Where do you put the 25 orcish orphan's....in Gondor? Amongst the elves? The dwarves? I read the novels including the Silmirillion and seen the movies and I do not see any culture that would raise one finger to help orc children. If anything in Tolkien's work orcs are more intrinsically base than in core D&D. I can't recall any good orcs mentioned by Tolkien but I may have forgotten as it has been awhile. If not one is mentioned do you think that means anything? I hate evil campaigns for the most part. My argument is that it can be necessary for good folk to put orcish villages to the torch to make sure that in 10 years another horde does not rise and it is the personal code (chivalric for example) that could prevent certain characters from killing the young or non-combatants of any race, not only the anthropomorphic ones mind you. I don't however believe this is merely a question of good or evil. In a previous post I indicated that the dwarves of FR have been genocidally slaughtered by orc horde after orc horde and until recently were on the brink of extinction. I am so sorry if I feel that good guys that willingly allow orcs to breed like rabbits next door to them threatening their own children and womenfolk are STUPID and guilty of a greater evil than the utter annihilation of a species that seems, nearly to a one, hell bent on destroying you and everything you love. I am sorry if your tender sensibilities are so easily offended but if there is a better way than to crush cockroaches and destroy their nests I haven't seen one in the majority of fantasy millieus. I am not promoting evil gaming, I am arguing that in a fully realized, believable setting full of the amount of violence so apparent in D&D that there are very reali consequences to war and sometimes good guys do a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil. In grittier settings the world isn't so easily reduced to 1s and 0s and though hero are heroic they sometimes have to make hard choices for the sake of the good they serve. Chris [/QUOTE]
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