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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 2553961" data-attributes="member: 7624">I am taking an example from things I have seen in games, where the good guys smash the orcish army that was raiding and pillaging and then, after being tired of being raided over and over again, take it to them. They go into the orcish lands and burn villages and root the violence out ar the source in order to prevent another horde from arising in another 10yrs. Sometimes war is about attrition, vengeance and about the ultimate removal of a persistant and pernicious threat.My OP assumes that the tribe(s) have been decimated and their isn't anywhere to go and many of the females and wizened elder orcs had to fight as well in order to protect their homes from the human, elven and dwarven warriors. There is no support left for the survivors and in this case. Those orcish younglings who aren't fortunate enough to be spirited off are doomed. This is the premise. The premise is intentionally extreme for the purpose of the discussion. Is this kind of thing commonly encountered, probably not, but have I seen it...yes.Also, because orcs are a savage tribal society there is a chance that the women may be allowed entry into otherwise rival tribes but that their children will be killed because no orcish warrior of a rival tribe is going to raise the whelp of his dead enemy. And orcs are fecund enough to not warrior about the fate of the able bodied kiddies they really don't want to raise anyway.So the situation is fully and completely bleak for the orphans in the OP. It is intentionally so for the sake of the setup in order to being the desperate choice to light so we here can talk about it.Myopic???? I am setting up a situation for the sake of a philosophical discussion regarding the believability of certain standards within the D&D game regarding alignment and whatnot when the DM presents a particularly unpleasant situation. This situation in no way reflects my campaign as a whole any more than one of my player's characters going on a drunken bender and groping serving maids is indicative that my entire campaign is based on alchohol.I couldn't make my setting more meaningful or deep and compelling to my players if I tried. My 20yr track record with largely the same fantatically loyal core group, who I believe are themselves frustrated fantasy authors, demonstrates to me that I am doing everything I need to do.Chris</blockquote>

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