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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 2558217" data-attributes="member: 7624"><p>I am not saying that I personally could do this, I live in a world were everyone is human with a full gamut of potential traits and behaviors. There are no types of humans who are nearly universally malevolent or genetically violent. We KNOW certain things about humans because we live in this world. Psychology has shown that no matter how evil someone's parents are they, if removed from their influence won't grow up to be serial killers. That is HUMAN.</p><p></p><p>We are not discussing humans, we are discussing creatures that are USUALLY CE, that doesn't mean that outside of that usually they are good...it means that most are CE and some will be of differing alignments mostly evil most likely. </p><p></p><p>My point is that I don't believe that the vast majority of humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes, etc. see orcish children as any more valuable that baby rats who will grow up and spread disease and eat all of your food. I am not saying that I, in this world of humans with the full panapoly of moral choice would, for any reason, support this kind of thinking. However we are dealing with a hypothetical situation where races of all kinds are monsterous marauding rapists and killers who breed like rabbits.The constantly form new armies due to enviromental pressures and the desire for plunder and conquest and are, as a species, guilty of constant depradations upon any group fool enough to allow them to live within a few miles.</p><p></p><p>I believe that individuals, not groups, can live up to their highest moral philosophy in any given setting. The PCs may be averse to putting orc younglings to the sword, but do you really and honestly believe that a dwarven army, whose people have been slaughtered by orcs for generations will have such tender sensibilities? No, in any believable setting, the dwarves would have neither the desire or resources to take care of their blood enemies. They give the younglings a quick and merciful death in order to not have them wander the underdark to die brutally at the hands of a predator, so as to not have them starve to death and finally to make sure that these little creatures to not grow up and embark on a quest for vengeance. These dwarves are not evil, they are good folk forced to make a terrible decision for the sake of their lives, their kids lives and the future safety of their communities.</p><p></p><p>I've seen the rare good-aligned red dragon, the rare neutral beholder, hell even good fiends (1 in 1,000,000,000 most likely). Does a good adventurer who encounters a young red dragon raise it and convince it to be good or does he defend against the blast of its breath weapon (in this case launched in fear and self-defense) and then kill the thing. How about tad-pole illithids or baby-orb beholders or any immature creature whose alignment in RAW is less than 100% evil 100% of the time?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Chris</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 2558217, member: 7624"] I am not saying that I personally could do this, I live in a world were everyone is human with a full gamut of potential traits and behaviors. There are no types of humans who are nearly universally malevolent or genetically violent. We KNOW certain things about humans because we live in this world. Psychology has shown that no matter how evil someone's parents are they, if removed from their influence won't grow up to be serial killers. That is HUMAN. We are not discussing humans, we are discussing creatures that are USUALLY CE, that doesn't mean that outside of that usually they are good...it means that most are CE and some will be of differing alignments mostly evil most likely. My point is that I don't believe that the vast majority of humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes, etc. see orcish children as any more valuable that baby rats who will grow up and spread disease and eat all of your food. I am not saying that I, in this world of humans with the full panapoly of moral choice would, for any reason, support this kind of thinking. However we are dealing with a hypothetical situation where races of all kinds are monsterous marauding rapists and killers who breed like rabbits.The constantly form new armies due to enviromental pressures and the desire for plunder and conquest and are, as a species, guilty of constant depradations upon any group fool enough to allow them to live within a few miles. I believe that individuals, not groups, can live up to their highest moral philosophy in any given setting. The PCs may be averse to putting orc younglings to the sword, but do you really and honestly believe that a dwarven army, whose people have been slaughtered by orcs for generations will have such tender sensibilities? No, in any believable setting, the dwarves would have neither the desire or resources to take care of their blood enemies. They give the younglings a quick and merciful death in order to not have them wander the underdark to die brutally at the hands of a predator, so as to not have them starve to death and finally to make sure that these little creatures to not grow up and embark on a quest for vengeance. These dwarves are not evil, they are good folk forced to make a terrible decision for the sake of their lives, their kids lives and the future safety of their communities. I've seen the rare good-aligned red dragon, the rare neutral beholder, hell even good fiends (1 in 1,000,000,000 most likely). Does a good adventurer who encounters a young red dragon raise it and convince it to be good or does he defend against the blast of its breath weapon (in this case launched in fear and self-defense) and then kill the thing. How about tad-pole illithids or baby-orb beholders or any immature creature whose alignment in RAW is less than 100% evil 100% of the time? Chris [/QUOTE]
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