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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 429739" data-attributes="member: 177">I find it hard to believe that a fib about the quality of dinner can constitute evil behavior.&nbsp; In order to have moral quality, and act must have meaningful reprecussions.&nbsp; In the usual dinner party, nobody will even notice the statement - it is merely a required formality, like washing up in the finger bowl.&nbsp; There are, of course, always extremes one can construct.In fact, if the situation is really tense, the Paladin can be compelled to lie for purposes of good.&nbsp; Say the host is insane, and will slay the paladin if he does not compliment the food.&nbsp; Allowing a great force for Good to be destroyed over a minor point of etiquette constitutes an evil act, so the Paladin must lie to save his life.&nbsp; Failing to lie would be evil in this case.Putting a paladin into a &quot;Kobyashi Maru&quot;, no-win scenario over his paladin status is unfair.&nbsp; It's akin to a death trap with no save.&nbsp; If you don't allow any outs, of course he loses his paladin status!&nbsp; What would be the point of the test?&nbsp; Paladins should only lose status over things they can actually control, when they make a bad choice when a good one was available.&nbsp; IMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 429739, member: 177"] I find it hard to believe that a fib about the quality of dinner can constitute evil behavior. In order to have moral quality, and act must have meaningful reprecussions. In the usual dinner party, nobody will even notice the statement - it is merely a required formality, like washing up in the finger bowl. There are, of course, always extremes one can construct. In fact, if the situation is [i]really[/i] tense, the Paladin can be compelled to lie for purposes of good. Say the host is insane, and will slay the paladin if he does not compliment the food. Allowing a great force for Good to be destroyed over a minor point of etiquette constitutes an evil act, so the Paladin must lie to save his life. Failing to lie would be evil in this case. Putting a paladin into a "Kobyashi Maru", no-win scenario over his paladin status is unfair. It's akin to a death trap with no save. If you don't allow any outs, of course he loses his paladin status! What would be the point of the test? Paladins should only lose status over things they can actually control, when they make a bad choice when a good one was available. IMHO. [/QUOTE]

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