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<blockquote data-quote="jasper" data-source="post: 435471" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Chrisling…</p><p>Someone mentioned Gilles de Rais -- who is an interesting case to look at. It wasn't until after the war was ended that he became the monster we remember him as -- during the Hundred Years' War, he was the very model of French chivalry. It is pretty widely held the reason this is so is because de Rais, during the war, had an easily available outlet for his vile impulses: the war itself. If he felt in whatever sick mood he was in that caused him to defile children, well, during the war he could go out and slaughter some Englishmen and that was good! If the war had not ended during his lifetime, we'd probably think he was a swell guy, a skilled general and tremendous fighter. But the war did end and those horrific tastes he had nutured during his years of war didn't just vanish…</p><p></p><p>Please send me your sources. I have never heard this viewpoint of Gilles. The 100’s Year War was still active when he was executed. His big battles took place between 1426 and 1429 with some minor battles in 1432. He started killing kids in 1433. He was killed in Oct 1440. The first written fable of him was.. Charles Perrault (forerunner of the Brothers Grimm) wrote "La Barbe Bleue" in 1697. (Zarucchi 18.)… But no evidence exists that he started his murders before 1433. Most of the charges involve basic banditry and property crimes. </p><p></p><p>For those interested </p><p>Benedetti, Jean. The Real Bluebeard The Life of Gilles de Rais. Dorset Press. 1988.</p><p></p><p>De La Mare, Walter. Tales Told Again. Alfred A. Knopf: New York 1927.</p><p></p><p>Gabory, Emile.Alias Bluebeard The Life and Death of Gilles de Raiz. C. Brewer and Warren Inc. New York 1930.</p><p></p><p>Rackham, Arthur. The Arthur Rackham Fairy Book. J., B. Lippincott Company.</p><p></p><p>Reginald, Reynolds. Beards. London George Allen & Unwin LTD. 1950.</p><p></p><p>Winwar, Francis. The Saint and the Devil Joan of Arc and Gilles de Rais. Harper & Brothers. New York 1948.</p><p></p><p>Wilson, Thomas. Bluebeard Contribution to History and Folklore. G.P. Putman's Sons. New York: 1899.</p><p></p><p>Zarucchi, Jeanne Morgan. Charles Perrault Memories of My Life. University of Missouri Press: Columbia 1989.</p><p></p><p>Zipes, Jack. Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantment Classic French Fairy Tales. New American Library: Canada</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jasper, post: 435471, member: 277"] Chrisling… Someone mentioned Gilles de Rais -- who is an interesting case to look at. It wasn't until after the war was ended that he became the monster we remember him as -- during the Hundred Years' War, he was the very model of French chivalry. It is pretty widely held the reason this is so is because de Rais, during the war, had an easily available outlet for his vile impulses: the war itself. If he felt in whatever sick mood he was in that caused him to defile children, well, during the war he could go out and slaughter some Englishmen and that was good! If the war had not ended during his lifetime, we'd probably think he was a swell guy, a skilled general and tremendous fighter. But the war did end and those horrific tastes he had nutured during his years of war didn't just vanish… Please send me your sources. I have never heard this viewpoint of Gilles. The 100’s Year War was still active when he was executed. His big battles took place between 1426 and 1429 with some minor battles in 1432. He started killing kids in 1433. He was killed in Oct 1440. The first written fable of him was.. Charles Perrault (forerunner of the Brothers Grimm) wrote "La Barbe Bleue" in 1697. (Zarucchi 18.)… But no evidence exists that he started his murders before 1433. Most of the charges involve basic banditry and property crimes. For those interested Benedetti, Jean. The Real Bluebeard The Life of Gilles de Rais. Dorset Press. 1988. De La Mare, Walter. Tales Told Again. Alfred A. Knopf: New York 1927. Gabory, Emile.Alias Bluebeard The Life and Death of Gilles de Raiz. C. Brewer and Warren Inc. New York 1930. Rackham, Arthur. The Arthur Rackham Fairy Book. J., B. Lippincott Company. Reginald, Reynolds. Beards. London George Allen & Unwin LTD. 1950. Winwar, Francis. The Saint and the Devil Joan of Arc and Gilles de Rais. Harper & Brothers. New York 1948. Wilson, Thomas. Bluebeard Contribution to History and Folklore. G.P. Putman's Sons. New York: 1899. Zarucchi, Jeanne Morgan. Charles Perrault Memories of My Life. University of Missouri Press: Columbia 1989. Zipes, Jack. Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantment Classic French Fairy Tales. New American Library: Canada [/QUOTE]
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