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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 435879" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>SHARK,</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure where you're getting the notion that anyone here was espousing idiotic battlefield tactics. There's a big difference between the kind of social situations that this started out about and single combat. And there's an even bigger difference between that and full-scale war. Why, for example, would <em>any</em> reasoning being want to go into battle without ranged support and get mowed down like wheat? You're absolutely right, that's idiotic, not honorable. But you go much further than that to a realm where the ends justify the means. Which is a philosophy I cannot accept. That's not to say I think there's a single yardstick by which every situation can be measured. There are exceptions, certainly, cases where the end is important enough to justify a great many things that would otherwise be avoided.</p><p></p><p>For example, if the necromancer who is about to raise the King of Hell (or somesuch) has 500 brainwashed peasants protecting him with their lives and you're running out of time, that's one thing. He has to be stopped, and, ultimately, those souls will be on his head. But the paladin who doesn't feel remorse over it isn't much of a paladin. He hasn't done anything to break his code, but he shouldn't be toasting his great victory, either. THAT is what makes being a paladin difficult, those situations where the real world gets in the way of the life the paladin knows he <em>should</em> live. It should be a paladin's ultimate goal to live in a world where he won't ever have to compromise his principles to accomplish the greater good. Your paladins sound like their principles don't enter into the equation. You're probably thinking that is an unrealistically idealistic interpretation. But what is a LG paladin in a war-torn world but an idealist? </p><p></p><p>IMO, a person of conscience will regret any death brought about by his actions, even those that are needful. And a person of strength will be able to live with this regret, because the greater good was served. And a wise man will know in what situations he needs to be flexible, and in what situations it is best to live as an example.</p><p></p><p>Compassion is the primary requisite of a Good being. Your paladins don't strike me as being very compassionate. They sound like they live in a very black & white world where anyone who opposes their King & Country is deserving of the death that shall be laid upon them. Zero doubt. Zero remorse. That man is <em>evil</em>, kill him and everyone who looks like him.</p><p></p><p>HUH?!</p><p></p><p>How does that make them the <em>good</em> guys? There IS a difference, after all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 435879, member: 4720"] SHARK, I'm not sure where you're getting the notion that anyone here was espousing idiotic battlefield tactics. There's a big difference between the kind of social situations that this started out about and single combat. And there's an even bigger difference between that and full-scale war. Why, for example, would [i]any[/i] reasoning being want to go into battle without ranged support and get mowed down like wheat? You're absolutely right, that's idiotic, not honorable. But you go much further than that to a realm where the ends justify the means. Which is a philosophy I cannot accept. That's not to say I think there's a single yardstick by which every situation can be measured. There are exceptions, certainly, cases where the end is important enough to justify a great many things that would otherwise be avoided. For example, if the necromancer who is about to raise the King of Hell (or somesuch) has 500 brainwashed peasants protecting him with their lives and you're running out of time, that's one thing. He has to be stopped, and, ultimately, those souls will be on his head. But the paladin who doesn't feel remorse over it isn't much of a paladin. He hasn't done anything to break his code, but he shouldn't be toasting his great victory, either. THAT is what makes being a paladin difficult, those situations where the real world gets in the way of the life the paladin knows he [i]should[/i] live. It should be a paladin's ultimate goal to live in a world where he won't ever have to compromise his principles to accomplish the greater good. Your paladins sound like their principles don't enter into the equation. You're probably thinking that is an unrealistically idealistic interpretation. But what is a LG paladin in a war-torn world but an idealist? IMO, a person of conscience will regret any death brought about by his actions, even those that are needful. And a person of strength will be able to live with this regret, because the greater good was served. And a wise man will know in what situations he needs to be flexible, and in what situations it is best to live as an example. Compassion is the primary requisite of a Good being. Your paladins don't strike me as being very compassionate. They sound like they live in a very black & white world where anyone who opposes their King & Country is deserving of the death that shall be laid upon them. Zero doubt. Zero remorse. That man is [i]evil[/i], kill him and everyone who looks like him. HUH?! How does that make them the [i]good[/i] guys? There IS a difference, after all. [/QUOTE]
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