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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 438309" data-attributes="member: 5724">Well i actually wasn't that concerned with second itineration actions, just first.Eventually war will force a choice upon a paladin to chose between the lesser of two evils.  I think that shark and others here have shown that, especially during a prolonged war, moral codes are often ignored and for most people (classes) there's not that much consequence.but the paladin is different.  he cant ever willingly chose an evil action without dramatic consequences. simple things such as the right of purveyance that kings had for materials.. kings could just come by and say "i need that for the war" and then take it.for a paladin that would be alignment downfall.  sure they need the supplies badly to fight against the undead army, but the act of theft (purveyance) is evil as it harms an innocent.  so the pally's left either not following his kings order or hurting others.of course there are alternative ways of dealing with the above situation, im just trying off the top of my head to show that eventually, there will arise a situation where there won't be any other alternatives, due time/location restraints.what if he was sent out to get supplies when the king was into enemy territory and the only grain left in the country was the seed grain that the peasant keep to plant the next crop with?  and there literally isnt anyother food and the peasant WONT sell their seed grain. if the paladin takes the seed grain, the peasants will die of starvation.  if he doesn't his king and army will not have enough food to fight the undead king.such example of war, mearly from the logistic side are capable of causing a paladins downfall.and say the paladin isn't the one sent out to get the peasants seed grain... can he knowling support such an action when it harms innocents?lottsa problems for the paladin in war.  thats why i think war is evil.  it forces people to make evil decisions in order to get a perceived "greater good" in the end.joe b.Who doesn't like RL examples.  RL is morally relativistic... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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