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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 446572" data-attributes="member: 4937">Well, that was certainly Gung Ho enough.However, I'm beginning to get the feeling that I'm sort of a stand in for someone else who you are arguing against who has some ridiculous philosophy that someone has tried to shovel down your throat, because the more you talk the more it sounds like we aren't having the same conversation.With such speaches did Hitler moblize the Germans for war.  I'm anything but a pacifist, and I don't think anyone that knows me has ever called me a hand wringing pansy, but neither am I clamoring for the blood of anyone.  There is a great difference between feeling a duty to fight, and relishing the concept.   You and your Paladins, SHARK, seem to have just a bit too much relish for my taste and you frequently seem to say that the ends justify the means, and that the good guys are 'us'.   I see no reason from your post not to conclude that there are not paladins of the Kingdom of Yon, and paladins of the Empire of Hither not slaughtering one another in the name of thier god and country, and giving speaches just like the one you just gave to the populace crying out for greater and greater ferocity to defeat the evil of 'them'.Not that I don't think that such an image is instructive, but I don't associate it with goodness.As for 'The Devil' using ones philosophy against you to defeat you, I'm prone to think your paladins are more succeptible to trickery and exploitation by evil than the sort I describe.  Anyway, I think this thread is running its course.  I hope you get a rebuttle in, but I'm starting to think its time to shut this down.</blockquote>

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