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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storminator" data-source="post: 447946" data-attributes="member: 305">I believe this is a misreading of the debate. Only one poster advocated pacifism. The primary camp that debates your views does think that the end never justifies the means, but that does not limit that view of paladins to peaceful pursuits only. It limits them in the means they will employ to battle evil.Emphasis mine. This is the real bone of contention. Neither you nor SHARK has defined a single act which would be out of bounds for a paladin. In fact, SHARK (and the occasional other poster) has advocated acts which I for one consider heinous.Here is the rub. None of the opposing viewpoints are advocating relative morality. That seems to be SHARK's province, and by extension, your position (as you seem to have thrown in with SHARK). SHARK expressly states that paladins can employ the means of their enemies (even if their enemies are rampaging demon hordes!), simply because 1) their enemies are evil, and 2) it works. That makes no allowances for an objective measure of good. What is uncomfortable is that you seem to believe that the paladin has a special claim to goodness and righteousness, not because he is either good or righteous, but because he kills evil things. Evil kills evil all the time. Standing against evil is not proof positive of goodness. The traits that define good must be established independently of the opposition. Good guys must behave good, and paladins, as the extreme of good guys, must behave good (sounds like miserable grammar to write that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) at all times. Failure to do so leads to fallen paladins, even if they are successful on the battlefield.Whereas to us, that dark lord sounds like a SHARK paladin!That may be. Debates of alignment and paladin codes rarely resolve anything. Fun tho! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />PS</blockquote>

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