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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevmann10583" data-source="post: 945484" data-attributes="member: 12506">Sejs, you may have a very liberal DM, but there are some things you need to think about your so-called paladins.Your Batman-style avenger of unjust in the night paladin actually may not have been a paladin at all.  According to the code of conduct and alignment, the paladin should have worked WITH the law of the town.  If the said system was corrupt, they would have started by cleaning up the law system first, then moving on.  The type of paladin you describe, that use their detect evil ability to see if someone is evil the kill or arrest them, actually is not abiding by the law, and therefore is not lawful, and therefore gets no powers.Ok, there are several combat styles a paladin can choose from, I am talking role-playing."Posing as a normal mercenary” I am sorry, but at some time he would have had to lie to keep this a secret, especially amongst a party which he traveled and stayed with for months at a time.  If anyone said, "so Hal, what’s your story?"  If he said anything else other than "I was brought up as a holy warrior of blah, blah, blah."  He was lying, and if he lies he breaks the code of conduct, and therefore is forfeits his powers.  Oh yea, and not saying anything and saying a half truth is just as bad as lying.  It’s like watching someone murder another person, if you don't say anything to the police, you are just as bad as the other guy.Assassin type paladin?  Give me a break, it says in the code of conduct that a person must act with honor (and states that poison use is dishonorable).  I don't know what your DM says, but assassination is not only unhonorable, but allot of times evil (go back to my using detect evil scenario).  A true paladin does not assassinate, but challenges the person to a duel.  If the person does not give himself up for arrest, and does not show up to a duel THEN and only then is the paladin allowed to kill the offending person AND only if the person has been proven guilty of a crime worthy of death.  Remember, a paladin is just as much lawful as good, and believes that the law must be followed and upheld!  I think that your "assassin" paladin, according to the book, is forfeit all his powers.Lecherous paladin?  You know that having affairs and the like is unhonorable, breaks the code, and is forfeit all his powers.Drunken, I don't know how much you get drunk, by alcohol tends to make a person do things they would not normally do, especially if they reach the stage were they could be called "drunk".  One slip up and upps, there went all your powers!Pacifist paladin, must be VERY difficult to remain pacifist when it states in the book that paladins must "punish those that harm or threaten innocents"  and trust me, there are a whole bunch of those around.If your DM some how changes the rules to be more lenient, that is cool.  But in any case, I believe this has significantly proven my case that paladin class is a VERY restrictive class, so restrictive it is not even CLOSE to being core material.</blockquote>

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