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<blockquote data-quote="niteshade6" data-source="post: 945537" data-attributes="member: 10320">&quot;niteshade6, the reason that the &quot;because it has always been like that&quot; argument is a bad one is because one should look at ideas with a fresh mind. It is kind of like the ranger two weapon fighting thing. There is no reason for a ranger to have two weapon fighting, nothing in a wilderness fighter/rogue type or roleplaying has anything to do with two weapon fighting, yet there it is. Sure D&amp;D is based on previous editions, but everything should make logical sense, that is just how it goes&quot;Well the tricky thing here is that you can't look at all ideas with a fresh mind. If you did, then there's no reason to keep any of the traditional trappings of fantasy. Why bother having dwarves with beards and elves with pointy ears? Who cares if that's the way it's always done. Why not not give them all submachine guns and modern weaponry? Why bother with fire breathing dragons, and traditional spells like fireball? Why bother with anything at all? The answer is fantasy tradition. There is no logic behind it, it's not more logical for dwarves to have beards, it's just something that people like and are used to. To you the paladin may not be a traditional part of D&amp;D fantasy, but to many people it is. This isn't a question about logic, In fact logic is quite out of place when discussing a matter of high magic and supernatural abilities.&quot;Henry, the holy warrior needs not be a paladin, it could be a cleric or a holy warrior replacement to the paladin, a warrior class that can be taken for any alignment and for any god.&quot;This is true. However Henry the divine warhorse riding, ultimate servent of good (and not necesarily any god at all), who fights, lays on hands, and wields a holy sword does need to be a paladin. And for some people that archetype is as important to D&amp;D as the wizard, cleric or any other. I can certainly understand how that's not the case for you, but I think you need to be more understanding of how other people feel as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="niteshade6, post: 945537, member: 10320"] "niteshade6, the reason that the "because it has always been like that" argument is a bad one is because one should look at ideas with a fresh mind. It is kind of like the ranger two weapon fighting thing. There is no reason for a ranger to have two weapon fighting, nothing in a wilderness fighter/rogue type or roleplaying has anything to do with two weapon fighting, yet there it is. Sure D&D is based on previous editions, but everything should make logical sense, that is just how it goes" Well the tricky thing here is that you can't look at all ideas with a fresh mind. If you did, then there's no reason to keep any of the traditional trappings of fantasy. Why bother having dwarves with beards and elves with pointy ears? Who cares if that's the way it's always done. Why not not give them all submachine guns and modern weaponry? Why bother with fire breathing dragons, and traditional spells like fireball? Why bother with anything at all? The answer is fantasy tradition. There is no logic behind it, it's not more logical for dwarves to have beards, it's just something that people like and are used to. To you the paladin may not be a traditional part of D&D fantasy, but to many people it is. This isn't a question about logic, In fact logic is quite out of place when discussing a matter of high magic and supernatural abilities. "Henry, the holy warrior needs not be a paladin, it could be a cleric or a holy warrior replacement to the paladin, a warrior class that can be taken for any alignment and for any god." This is true. However Henry the divine warhorse riding, ultimate servent of good (and not necesarily any god at all), who fights, lays on hands, and wields a holy sword does need to be a paladin. And for some people that archetype is as important to D&D as the wizard, cleric or any other. I can certainly understand how that's not the case for you, but I think you need to be more understanding of how other people feel as well. [/QUOTE]

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