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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevmann10583" data-source="post: 945627" data-attributes="member: 12506">NO, I am speaking of, with game rules and precedence (prcs are specific, core classes are generalists).  And yes, you CAN look at everything with a fresh mind, in fact it is silly not to.  You should look at everything with a fresh mind, then wiegh it with precidence.  If you find that there is no logical sense why the paladin should be a prc, then you should change it.  But a spell that does a max of 10d6 fire damage in a twenty foot raidus is of the same power as every other third level spell of its kind DOES make logical sense to keep.  You see what I am getting at. Hey, thats fine, but if I said that I thought that dragons are just as important as elves and dwarves and that it should be made a core race does not mean that it should.  Why, because it is an uber class that does not have an ECL of +0 and only one hit die, it does not make LOGICAL sense for it to be a core race.  Just like it does not make LOGICAL sense for such a restrictive and specialist class to be a core class instead of a prc. Your right, in a fantasy novel nothing makes sense by standard phsyics rules.  But D&D is a table top game, and like all games, it has rules, and these rules should make sense and logically form together. You are correct, I retract my previous statment.  But remember, the paladin must have proof that a system is corrupt or else he has no choice but belive it is legitamite. This however, is incorrect.  A paladin should NEVER lie, and should never be in a mission that would require him to lie.  If a Paladin has taken on a mission that would require him to lie, then he is not a true paladin.  Also, no mission every REQUIRES you to lie, there is always a way around, and that is one of the fun points of playing a paladin. Sure, I can see how every person who does an evil act will just willingly allow you to escort them to jail without a fight.  Oh yea, and presenting evidence to local authorits is not punishment, and that is even if you can find evidence other then your own word. No, a LG person does not always do lawful things, and does not always to good things.  Sometimes, even though it may be few and far between, they do things that arn't lawful and arnt good.  This does not constitute an alignment change because no-one is perfect, and it normaly requires several major actions (most of the time people go by the three strike rule) to change the alignment.  Paladins however are especcialy difficult because you are a chapion of law and good, and sliping up just once can cost you the loss of all your powers.  It is MUCH more difficult for a paladin. No, this does not portain to paladins.  If a authority is legitimate, then you must abide by it.  WIth your thinking, a paladin could go "Hey I know murder is agaisnt the law here, but this orc walking down the street reaks of evil.  I will just kill him right now, at least I ACKNOWLEDGED that it is illegal!"  Realy man, this makes no sense.  As I said before, if the authority is corrupt (and the paladin has proof of this corruptness) then hey may go against it, otherwise respect means abide.</blockquote>

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