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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deadguy" data-source="post: 946225" data-attributes="member: 2480">I just wanted to muddy the waters further by adding that reading through this thread reminded me of some of the Ranger discussions. No, not the 'Ranger was shafted' ones, but the ones where people define what they want from a Ranger class. It turns out that different people have very different ideas about what a Ranger is.So too, it seems, with the Paladin class. Is he (she) a Called Warrior of God? Or the ultimate Chivalrous Knight? Or a Crusader for Justice? Or a Holy Inquisitor? The class seems to need to fit a considerable number of archetypes. In a way, that's a good sign - a sign that the class benefits from being core. But at the same time, the class is written from a limited perspective, and written in such a way that it is very much a question of DM opinion about how much 'give' there is in the class to let it play some of these archetypes.In my heart I know it will stay - it is on of the most fiercely fought over sacred cows of D&D. But with my head I recognise that a more generalised 'Champion' class is useful, with a specific example made of the Paladin, the Champion of Lawful Good. In that sense it would be a little like the 2e move from Magic-User and Illusionist to Mage and Specialist (and yes, I know that neither 2e nor 3e have properly addressed the question of flavour for specialist wizards).At the same time, showing a Prestige Class build of a Paladin would be a useful tool for the DMG. Since we all have the example of the Paladin-as-core-class, it makes it easier to explain how the Paladin can be built as a sample Prestige Class, with the reasoning and limitations explained. It might help get the Prestige Class philosophy deeper into people's minds.As usual, my answer turns out to be 'well all sides have some merits to their arguments...' but, hey, what can you do? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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