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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevmann10583" data-source="post: 946944" data-attributes="member: 12506">OH MY GODI am sorry, but as I read through this thread, you guys have misconstrued my quotes, you have put half of the quote down, protested it, even though the REST OF THE QUOTE WENT AGAINST YOUR PROTEST, and generaly ignored what parts that that suit you.And to some of you "Oh, he can lie if someone stole a loaf of bread from their family"  "Sure he can just go around slaughtering people he detects as evil."  "He is above everything and all things because he is on a mission from god"  "The paladin can do anything he wants, even evil and choatic acts, as long as it searves the greater good!"<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> This makes me sad<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I am sorry, but the people who made comments like this have lost the true meaning of what a paladin exactly is.  Some of you belive that the paladin should be NG, because a person who is neutral good always things of the greater good over all else.  But you see, the paladin is NOT NG, he is LG, there is a very big difference.  Some of you belive that the paladin should be down right evil, I don't know who you are, but slaughtering people on the street just because the register as evil is murder in cold blood, and it insites choas, I think all of you should realy look at the paladin one more time and see exactly what he is.TAKEN FROM THE PHB:The compassion to pursue good, the will to uphold the law ... Additionally, paladins swear to follow a code of conduct that is in line with lawfulness and goodness... a paladin's code requires that she respoect legitimate authority, act with honor... and punish those that harm or threaten innocents DId you see in there, running around slaughtering people that register evil?  those people may or may not harm or threaten innocents.  If a person steals a loaf of bread to feed his family, I am sorry, the paladin must report it, because that person is doing an evil act by steeling a piece of bread that someone else worked hard for and deserves.  That person should bet some sort of job, and work for his bread.  If his children are straving, then the paladin may help, but will NEVER condone lieing."The paladin enters the town and looks around, he sees a guard take a bribe from a small man trying to exit the town, and the paladin yells "I PROCLAIM THAT THIS TOWN DOES NOT HAVE A LEGITAMITE LAW, THEREFORE I AM ABOVE IT AND DO NO HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OF YOUR LAWS, I DO NOT HAVE TO ALLOW YOU TO GET A FIAR TRIAL, AND I DO NOT HAVE TO EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR CRIME IS!!!!  I SENSE A FEW EVIL PEOPLE IN THIS SQUARE, LET THE SLAUGHTERING BEGIN!"I am sorry, a paladin is a compassionate force that balances law and goodness.  The paladin IS NOT above everyone else because he is on a mission from god, just because he is on a mission from god does not mean he IS god.  THE ENDS DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS, it does to a CG or NG person, but not to a LG paladin.A paladin can not lie, he would rather die in most cases then lie.  If a situation means that he must lie to save hundreds of innocents, and there is no way around it (I can not see such a situation, but lets us just belive that it excists) then he will lie, but he WILL BE FORFIET HIS POWERS UNTILL HE CAN ACCEPT AN ATONEMENT.  Did you know that a paladin loses all of his powers if he does an evil act while under a DOMINATE PERSON SPELL?  THat is right, even if the paladins BODY is forced to do an evil act, he LOSES HIS POWER!!!!  That is how stricked it realy is... don't belive me?  Read the atonement spell.A paladin must always follow the law, and allow a fiar trial for those who are evil, or allow god to choose who is right or wrong in a duel.  The paladin is not god, he does not even speak with gods mouth, he is not above the law.  A paladin who belives he is above the law is on a one way road to a blackguard.  Because a paladin who belives he is above all law is a TYRANT!!!!  And a paladin can't just have a "hunch" that a law system is corrupt, he musthave solid proof, because if he is wrong and goes against a legitamte law system, he loses his powers.  The paladin works WITH the law to get good means, he belives everyone should recive a fair trial, or at least a duel so the gods can determine who is right or wrong!The paladin is not a beliver in the ends justifies the means.  Lieing is an evil act, you are misconsiving a person to beliveing something that is not true.  The paladin is the champion of truth, if he lies, he becomes the very monster he is trying to destroy!Those of you who have these horrible misconseptions, you are ruining the pureness of a paladin for other people, and giving paladins around the world a bad rap.You know what, if you think I am wrong, that is your opinion and you can have the paladin core class any way you like it in your games.  But do not come on this board and state it as if it is fact for all games that they should be able to slaughter people and be above the law, and do your house rules as how they are for all games.  Say that "you belive" that paladins should be able to do this.  But I am sorry, champions of truth, law, and good would never lie, sow chaos, or slaughter pople without trials, that sounds much more like a blackguard to me.</blockquote>

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