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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 947264" data-attributes="member: 1077">Kevmann10583, I so wanted to agree with you several times, but you seem to not quite "get it" yet.This part I agree with you.I agree with you on this too...I agree with some of this.  I don't beleive the Paladin HAS to report it, just right the wrong.  If I were playing the Paladin, I would report it to the shopkeeper if he did not know he was stolen from, but then I would pay for the bread.  I would not report it to the authories if it was a minor crime like this.  Please recognize that this is not lying, it is withholding the truth.  However!!!  If I was approached by a guard and he asked me, "Did this man steal bread from this shopkeeper" then I would be required to not lie.I disagree that the act of stealing a loaf of bread is evil.  No way stealing is evil, otherwise all Rogues who take Pick Pockets are evil.  Stealing is not a moral Good/Evil debate, it's a Lawful/Chaotic one.I think I agree with you there.  I would also state that the intentions of a Paladin are more important than his actions.  Not to say that he can ignore his actions.  An example would be, if the Paladin tries to do something good but "messess up" (rolls a bad check or what have you) and someone get's hurt in the process.  His actions caused someone to get hurt, but his intentions were not to harm anyone.  That is what is important.Let's say the Paladin has in his possession a powerful artifact that could either save the world (if in the right hands, like yours) or destroy the world, if in the wrong hands.  If he is brought before a corrupt king who is (oh my gosh) EVIL (not that he has done anything deserving of death, he just has a lust for more power which has corrupted his morality) and he asks if you have this artifact on you, what do you tell him?  If you remain silent, you will die, and your mission will be a failure.  A Paladin can not serve his god or good if he is dead now, can he?  If you tell the truth, you are either (a) dead, (b) lose the artifact due to the overwhelming odds or (c) both.  If you lie, you MAY be able to get out of the situation.  But as you stated, you may also lose your powers.This is to say, I agree with your overall statement.  I just wanted to show you there ARE situations a good DM can come up with to put a Paladin in a position like this.This is 100% false!!!  It has been stated here multiple times at least, a Paladin loses his Paladinhood if he WILLFULLY committs an evil act.  This means, if he is charmed, suggested, geased, dominated or otherwise forced to commit an evil act AGAINST HIS WILL, he is not held accountable.  In 2nd edition, he was, but not in 3rd edition (or hopefully 3.5).  I suggest (no pun intended) you re-read the Atonement spell.All it states is that if you unwillingly commit an evil act, the burden of that evil act is off your shoulders.  This is PURELY a roleplay effect, and does not have any effect game-mechanic wise.  It doesn't mean your alignment changed or shifted.  It's a roleplay tool.  That is why it doesn't cost you any exp/money.  Unlike atoning for a willingly evil act.Paladin: I feel bad that I killed this peasant, even though the evil wizard dominated me.  I must seek atonement before I fulfill my quest.Something to that effect.</blockquote>

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