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Paladins in SCAG are all good-aligned?
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6761582" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>While I completely agree that the Paladin is aiming for the same archetype as Superman, I really have to say you <em>should</em> feel bad for calling him a fascist. Superman--particularly the DCAU version--is a character I like quite a lot, even though it's a challenge to write interesting+reasonable stories about him (<em>Red Son</em> being a fantastic example...where Superman is a <em>commie</em>). When he's well-written, he's a legitimately interesting character, sometimes even for reasons similar to Batman. As an example: who is he really? Clark Kent the human, Superman the hero, Kal-el the Kryptonian, some combo of the three, or something else entirely?</p><p></p><p>And...I'm confused, where do you get that he's "jerk-y"? One of the most frequent complaints about the character is that he's <em>not sufficiently humanized</em> because he <em>doesn't</em> act like a jerk now and then! Because he <em>doesn't</em> suffer from occasional moral failings, and is instead Incorruptible Pure Pureness.</p><p></p><p>Now, the Paladin certainly has a <em>stereotype</em> of jerkish behavior. Just like how Wizards have a stereotype of having superiority complexes and Fighters have a stereotype of being idiots. But I know, from having played one, that Paladin doesn't <em>entail</em> being "jerk-y." And if you won't accept my anecdote, at least accept <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?58227-Tales-of-Wyre" target="_blank"><em>Tales of Wyre</em></a>, since Eadric is a wonderfully human and complex character, in addition to being an exceptionally good Paladin. (There's also Michael Carpenter of <em>The Dresden Files</em>, who is pretty much the epitome of a good Paladin.) </p><p></p><p>As for the "Spider-Man quote," I personally think that the Paladin is actually the exact inverse: <em>with great responsibility comes great power.</em> The Paladin has taken up an oath, an ethos, a covenant of some kind. It is through the purity and strength of that conviction--whether because that conviction is backed up by divine edict or not--that the power is gained. <em>My good blade carves the casques of men,/My tough lance thrusteth sure,/My strength is as the strength of ten/<strong>Because</strong> my heart is pure.</em> (Emphasis mine; <em>Sir Galahad</em>, Tennyson.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6761582, member: 6790260"] While I completely agree that the Paladin is aiming for the same archetype as Superman, I really have to say you [I]should[/I] feel bad for calling him a fascist. Superman--particularly the DCAU version--is a character I like quite a lot, even though it's a challenge to write interesting+reasonable stories about him ([I]Red Son[/I] being a fantastic example...where Superman is a [I]commie[/I]). When he's well-written, he's a legitimately interesting character, sometimes even for reasons similar to Batman. As an example: who is he really? Clark Kent the human, Superman the hero, Kal-el the Kryptonian, some combo of the three, or something else entirely? And...I'm confused, where do you get that he's "jerk-y"? One of the most frequent complaints about the character is that he's [I]not sufficiently humanized[/I] because he [I]doesn't[/I] act like a jerk now and then! Because he [I]doesn't[/I] suffer from occasional moral failings, and is instead Incorruptible Pure Pureness. Now, the Paladin certainly has a [I]stereotype[/I] of jerkish behavior. Just like how Wizards have a stereotype of having superiority complexes and Fighters have a stereotype of being idiots. But I know, from having played one, that Paladin doesn't [I]entail[/I] being "jerk-y." And if you won't accept my anecdote, at least accept [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?58227-Tales-of-Wyre"][I]Tales of Wyre[/I][/URL], since Eadric is a wonderfully human and complex character, in addition to being an exceptionally good Paladin. (There's also Michael Carpenter of [I]The Dresden Files[/I], who is pretty much the epitome of a good Paladin.) As for the "Spider-Man quote," I personally think that the Paladin is actually the exact inverse: [I]with great responsibility comes great power.[/I] The Paladin has taken up an oath, an ethos, a covenant of some kind. It is through the purity and strength of that conviction--whether because that conviction is backed up by divine edict or not--that the power is gained. [I]My good blade carves the casques of men,/My tough lance thrusteth sure,/My strength is as the strength of ten/[B]Because[/B] my heart is pure.[/I] (Emphasis mine; [I]Sir Galahad[/I], Tennyson.) [/QUOTE]
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