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<blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 1146651" data-attributes="member: 5724"><p>Good example, but it also proves my point fairly well. If a carriage had run him over, on the street, he never would have had the opportunity to repent outside the old lady's door, cementing his choice for redemption.</p><p></p><p>If you don't make action a requirement for evil (along with evil thoughts), you destroy the posibility of redemption fo r those who are having evil thoughts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, until he does something, one cannot say he is evil, for the opportunity may present itself and he may choose to do the right thing. This is the only real way of struggly with internal demons. Some people do it quickly, some slowly. Some act out parts only in their head, some go so far as to actually hide in the bushes.</p><p></p><p>Unless your detect evil spell predicts the future, this man (if he has done nothing previously evil) cannot be determined as evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a very subjective interpretation based upon the premise that the man <strong>is</strong> evil already. The spell only detects the actual, the historical, not the potential. What you're postulating isthat the spell wouldn't detect him as evil, if in the future, he doesn't actually axe the poor old lady and repents at her doorstep. I don't see anything, however, in the spell or in the definition of evil as given the PHB that would indicate it is such.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course! That's one of the things paladins are supposed to do. Help those to redeption who can be redeamed. However, if he choses to slay evil on sight, how can that be bad? For with either of our readings and evil has already occured, or will soon occur, and there's been enough of a history that the evil has taken the precidence in the individuals soul enough to that he detects as such.</p><p></p><p>joe b.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgbrowning, post: 1146651, member: 5724"] Good example, but it also proves my point fairly well. If a carriage had run him over, on the street, he never would have had the opportunity to repent outside the old lady's door, cementing his choice for redemption. If you don't make action a requirement for evil (along with evil thoughts), you destroy the posibility of redemption fo r those who are having evil thoughts. Again, until he does something, one cannot say he is evil, for the opportunity may present itself and he may choose to do the right thing. This is the only real way of struggly with internal demons. Some people do it quickly, some slowly. Some act out parts only in their head, some go so far as to actually hide in the bushes. Unless your detect evil spell predicts the future, this man (if he has done nothing previously evil) cannot be determined as evil. That's a very subjective interpretation based upon the premise that the man [b]is[/b] evil already. The spell only detects the actual, the historical, not the potential. What you're postulating isthat the spell wouldn't detect him as evil, if in the future, he doesn't actually axe the poor old lady and repents at her doorstep. I don't see anything, however, in the spell or in the definition of evil as given the PHB that would indicate it is such. Of course! That's one of the things paladins are supposed to do. Help those to redeption who can be redeamed. However, if he choses to slay evil on sight, how can that be bad? For with either of our readings and evil has already occured, or will soon occur, and there's been enough of a history that the evil has taken the precidence in the individuals soul enough to that he detects as such. joe b. [/QUOTE]
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