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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arravis" data-source="post: 1151810" data-attributes="member: 327">LuYangShih, to put it bluntly, I think this is a debate you've lost.As you point out in D&D alignment isn't subjective, good is good and evil is evil, regardless of your point of view (btw if you go by what's in the PHB alignment descriptions, your vision of a paladin falls into the Lawful Evil category). Anyway, none of the issues I've brought up in this debate deal with subjective alignment in any form. It seems that you want alignments to be extremes where only a few fall on either end of the spectrum and 95% of the populace falls in the neutral category. This just isn't the case in D&D. As was stated by AnthonyJ, alignments in 3rd edition are pretty broad. The bigger definitions of alignment in 3rd edition have nothing to do with subjective alignment, they simply paint with a wider brush. "Evil" is defined as more than simply murdering, raping, etc... a number of lesser offenses also are "evil" by the current rules system. You only seem willing to consider the most extreme crimes as evil and everything else as neutral. What comes across in your posts is a view of good and evil that's more in keeping with 1st edition and not with the current system.As far as "agreeing to disagree", I've done this because I feel I've done all I can without simply repeating the same points over and over. If I had more issues to bring up on this, I would, but I think I've more then successfully defended my views and I'm pleased with the results. Can I convince you of them? Probably not, but the internet is full of all kinds of people and if one tries to convince everyone all the time, it will end only in frustration.Now, if you come up with some new ideas on your arguement, I'll gladly give my opinions on them. Anyway, it's been a good debate overall <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</blockquote>

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