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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThoughtBubble" data-source="post: 1224537" data-attributes="member: 9723">Personally, I think it's a non issueWell, personally, as soon as he started his speech, I'd have stabbed him in the head and called it done. Maybe smited him for good measure. On the other hand, assuming that wasn't an option, I'd have said "Release my wife and the girls and I promise you a fair trial." Unless Tharnor was known for keeping his word, I wouldn't have listened to any deal he offered. That said, I think your paladin did a commendable job. He was put in a pretty bad situation and made a perfectly valid choice.As a DM I wouldn't hold him responsible for the fate of the city, no. He didn't cast the spells that destroyed it. He didn't pressure Tharnor to cast them, and he didn't aid in Tharnor's escape. Tharnor is responsible for the fate of the city. However, as that character, I would have again smited Tharnor in the face at the earliest opertunity, and then burnt his corpse. So, if I hadn't, and the town had been destoryed, then yes, it would play on my character's concience. All the more reason to smite I see no circumstances where he ever deviated from it.Allow me to say "DOOD WTF?!?!?!??!!?!!!?" I think there's a problem in some of these paladin threads. There's the group who insists that killing should be the last option, and that everything should be redeemed, and that everyone plays paladins like killing machines and are hopeless. Then there's the group who says that paladins are evil killing machines, and anyone who says otherwise is hopeless. Then there's the guys complaining about lawful stupid. And finally the whole ridiculous standards that always seem to be set. Would we be seeing this whole thread had Vallian smote Tharnor? I I believe we would, except then we'd see "So my paladin condemned his wife and two innocent virgins to death in order to kill this evil guy. Should I take away his powers?" or "So this evil guy who broke his word to the paladin after being spared whole awaking some aincent Evil, asked the paladin for mercy, but instead was killed. Should I punish him?"My ire isn't aroused because of you, but rather a long series of these sorts of things. But please, before you even consider needing some sort of punishment, point me to some chaotic Evil act that the paladin did. How about Evil. How about normal evil? The fact is though, both of those situations had me rolling my eyes. There was no easy way out of them. And if none of his actions seemed evil. If nothing he did was for the sake of destroying the lawful and good processes of the land, then I see no fault for the fact that the lemonade he made from the batch of lemons he'd been handed didn't have sugar. He made, in my opinion, far too conservative decisions. But I can't fault him for holding up to a standard that many people think is appropriate.I personally believe that someone is a paladin because they have soemthing that set them apart. Perhaps it's an innocence of spirit, perhaps it's wisdom, perhaps it's a drive to see evil removed. Regardless, they're a paladin because they have that aspect. They do not have a big handbook that they follow in order to be a paladin. They're a paladin because it's in their nature. Thus, their decisions are right, because it's their nature to make the decisions correctly. So, at the very least, give your player the benifit of the doubt.At this exact moment? Neither. What he deserves is a warm relaxing bath, a few nice cool beers, a long talk with his spritual advisors, and a vision from his diety to keep the fires burning. That, and his wife definately could use some attention.</blockquote>

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