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<blockquote data-quote="Varis" data-source="post: 4693963" data-attributes="member: 82427">If its unplayable,..and trust me, i tried twice, then it's a failure. My view of a paladin is Strength based. &nbsp;He isn't grooming himself in the mirror (see Shrek's Prince Charming <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) or trying to beat the 10 Str Wizard in an arm wrestle because he too has the same Str, ao it should be a strong contest. &nbsp;He's like Lancelot in Excalibur. His word is his bond, his faith is his shield and his courage is his sword,..that sort of stuff(fluff)...&nbsp;He's cant compete with the fighters prowess with the sword, because he has to also recongise his duties to his god and beliefs - true. However, he DOES get holy assistance (as a champion of that divine entity) that brings him on par with the fighter,..as an equally capable 'defender'.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This explains alot.&nbsp;&nbsp;I Agree. Being a different defender can be good. Being an inferior defender, isn't.&nbsp;The (Str based pally) pally can not effecively defend the party...except for providing healing. Frankly, if I wanted to contribute to the parties defence in this fashion, I would of played a priest.&nbsp;Amen to that.&nbsp;&nbsp;But it's clearly unacceptable that players should have to wait for another handbook just so that the pally can get up to par with the fighter,..and yes,..that is the yardstick.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Varis, post: 4693963, member: 82427"] If its unplayable,..and trust me, i tried twice, then it's a failure. My view of a paladin is Strength based. He isn't grooming himself in the mirror (see Shrek's Prince Charming ;)) or trying to beat the 10 Str Wizard in an arm wrestle because he too has the same Str, ao it should be a strong contest. He's like Lancelot in Excalibur. His word is his bond, his faith is his shield and his courage is his sword,..that sort of stuff(fluff)... He's cant compete with the fighters prowess with the sword, because he has to also recongise his duties to his god and beliefs - true. However, he DOES get holy assistance (as a champion of that divine entity) that brings him on par with the fighter,..as an equally capable 'defender'. This explains alot. I Agree. Being a different defender can be good. Being an inferior defender, isn't. The (Str based pally) pally can not effecively defend the party...except for providing healing. Frankly, if I wanted to contribute to the parties defence in this fashion, I would of played a priest. Amen to that. But it's clearly unacceptable that players should have to wait for another handbook just so that the pally can get up to par with the fighter,..and yes,..that is the yardstick. [/QUOTE]

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