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<blockquote data-quote="Varis" data-source="post: 4694993" data-attributes="member: 82427">Ok he's usefull in other ways,..how usefull is he in getting the ememy to focus of him as opposed to another party member?The fighter has the combat challenge feature, which is great. The paladin doesnt have an equivalent were he could strongly influence the movement of one or two opponents (unless thy are minions). &nbsp;I agree that hes great at laying hands (assuming he can tget to you) or providing heals through Paladins Judgement and the like,...but, he has no reliable powers, doesn't have a +1 to hit, isnt sticky, and cant get powers that heal him (I might be wrong about this - was too depressed to look at higher level pally powers), so he has to consider conserving a couple of lay on hands for himself.&nbsp;Sure, a fighter cant heal you, but he has tons of options to heal himself, which frees up the cleric to focus on others.&nbsp;The second another class is better a better defender than a dedicated defender class, you know something is wrong. Its cool that the ranger can do all this (I'm not aware of the powers btw) but if that translates to him being able to influence opponents around him to force them to deal with him first, then he has become a defender (with a great damage output). I'm happy for him, but it underlines my contention that the Paladin (more specifically the straladin) is a fail).&nbsp;&nbsp;Unfortunately these differences dont have a similar next effect on the opponents (i.e. influence/deny/control their movements and compell them to attack/focus on him) and thus, I contend, the paladin is a fail.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Varis, post: 4694993, member: 82427"] Ok he's usefull in other ways,..how usefull is he in getting the ememy to focus of him as opposed to another party member? The fighter has the combat challenge feature, which is great. The paladin doesnt have an equivalent were he could strongly influence the movement of one or two opponents (unless thy are minions). I agree that hes great at laying hands (assuming he can tget to you) or providing heals through Paladins Judgement and the like,...but, he has no reliable powers, doesn't have a +1 to hit, isnt sticky, and cant get powers that heal him (I might be wrong about this - was too depressed to look at higher level pally powers), so he has to consider conserving a couple of lay on hands for himself. Sure, a fighter cant heal you, but he has tons of options to heal himself, which frees up the cleric to focus on others. The second another class is better a better defender than a dedicated defender class, you know something is wrong. Its cool that the ranger can do all this (I'm not aware of the powers btw) but if that translates to him being able to influence opponents around him to force them to deal with him first, then he has become a defender (with a great damage output). I'm happy for him, but it underlines my contention that the Paladin (more specifically the straladin) is a fail). Unfortunately these differences dont have a similar next effect on the opponents (i.e. influence/deny/control their movements and compell them to attack/focus on him) and thus, I contend, the paladin is a fail. [/QUOTE]

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