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<blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 4060577" data-attributes="member: 7859">I'm not trying to be snarky here, but so often I find the &quot;early adopters&quot; of 4E try make these wide sweeping comparisons between editions, but do not seem to be familiar with the prior edition.&nbsp; A 1e paladin out of the PHB was way more powerful than a fighter.&nbsp; Same HD, Same Thaco, mount, Detect Evil, etc.&nbsp; 1E Paladin had the same goodies as the fighter only more so.&nbsp; Now if you factor in for 1E Unearthed Arcana where the Paladin became a Subclass of Cavalier....I still think it came out ahead....(Paladin on his mount was nigh unstopable).2E you might make the case that Weapon specialization outweighed the Paladin abilities, though eventually it seemed everyone and their brother got access the Weapon Specialization.As a whole the concept of what powers should constitute a Paladin have changed in details from the Imput of games like Diablo, World of Warcraft, and others.&nbsp; The Paladin in 3.5 is a poor healer, HP have increased so much from previous editions, and Lay on Hands has not keep pace, I would like to see the Paladin be a viable healer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="satori01, post: 4060577, member: 7859"] I'm not trying to be snarky here, but so often I find the "early adopters" of 4E try make these wide sweeping comparisons between editions, but do not seem to be familiar with the prior edition. A 1e paladin out of the PHB was way more powerful than a fighter. Same HD, Same Thaco, mount, Detect Evil, etc. 1E Paladin had the same goodies as the fighter only more so. Now if you factor in for 1E Unearthed Arcana where the Paladin became a Subclass of Cavalier....I still think it came out ahead....(Paladin on his mount was nigh unstopable). 2E you might make the case that Weapon specialization outweighed the Paladin abilities, though eventually it seemed everyone and their brother got access the Weapon Specialization. As a whole the concept of what powers should constitute a Paladin have changed in details from the Imput of games like Diablo, World of Warcraft, and others. The Paladin in 3.5 is a poor healer, HP have increased so much from previous editions, and Lay on Hands has not keep pace, I would like to see the Paladin be a viable healer. [/QUOTE]

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