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<blockquote data-quote="Vraille Darkfang" data-source="post: 2841448" data-attributes="member: 16989">I'm not a Rifts fan.I've played it a handful of times, and hating all but 1 of those experiences.The 1 fun time I had was with a very good GM who basically ignored the rules and just used the setting&nbsp; information.The other times were with GM's who tried to (and failed) to run the game with the rules as written.At this point I am no longer even a potential Rifts Customer.&nbsp; I no longer have the time to devote to constant gaming.&nbsp; D20 takes up 100% of my gaming time now.&nbsp; I'd still play a CoC, Mage, or Shadowrun game if I could find it.&nbsp; I skipped Rifts 10 years ago due to rules in bad need of a revision.Now, I'd skip just due to the fact I don't have enough time to fit in all the games I'd like too, let alone fit in a new one.This has been my perception of Rifts players in the hobby.1.&nbsp; 10%:&nbsp; Hate it.&nbsp; Never want to play it again.2.&nbsp; 25%:&nbsp; Great Setting, Rules in bad need of revision (I fit here, as those Rifts-Defectors I've met; BESM, D20 Mecha, etc)3.&nbsp; 25%:&nbsp; Great Setting, Rules are clunky, but I work with them.4.&nbsp; 25%:&nbsp; Fun game.&nbsp; It has its faults.&nbsp; A revision would be nice.&nbsp; 5.&nbsp; 15%:&nbsp; All hail our Lord &amp; Master Sembia!&nbsp; Creator of the most perfect thing in all of existence!&nbsp; (Seems every RPG has around a 15% Die hard base that thinks its the best thing since sliced bread).Of this Subset of the RPG Market (which isn't the biggest market to begin with), only that last group probably makes a purchase 1-2 times a month.&nbsp; I know a lot in groups 3 &amp; 4 that maybe only buy 1 product a year (many haven't made a purchase in 10 years).&nbsp; They still play, but don't see a reason to buy anything new as the rules set has been largely stagnant for 15+ years.Rifts has a limited fanbase.&nbsp; It hasn't been a growing fanbase in quite some time (according to our local game store it's declined quite a lot over the last 15 years, though pretty steady the past 5 or so).&nbsp; Rifts has done quite well with its limited market share, and Kevin has shown no desire to try to grow that Market Share.This works fine as long a no disaster hits.&nbsp; Palladium has had a disaster hit.&nbsp; They Could Fold (See TSR), Emerge Reborn (See Harley Davidson), or manage to survive &amp; back to business as usual (Drawing a Blank).If Palladium avoids Bankruptcy, I expect they will go back to Business as Usual.But, again, I could care less.&nbsp; I haven't been a potential Rifts Customer for over a Decade.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vraille Darkfang, post: 2841448, member: 16989"] I'm not a Rifts fan. I've played it a handful of times, and hating all but 1 of those experiences. The 1 fun time I had was with a very good GM who basically ignored the rules and just used the setting information. The other times were with GM's who tried to (and failed) to run the game with the rules as written. At this point I am no longer even a potential Rifts Customer. I no longer have the time to devote to constant gaming. D20 takes up 100% of my gaming time now. I'd still play a CoC, Mage, or Shadowrun game if I could find it. I skipped Rifts 10 years ago due to rules in bad need of a revision. Now, I'd skip just due to the fact I don't have enough time to fit in all the games I'd like too, let alone fit in a new one. This has been my perception of Rifts players in the hobby. 1. 10%: Hate it. Never want to play it again. 2. 25%: Great Setting, Rules in bad need of revision (I fit here, as those Rifts-Defectors I've met; BESM, D20 Mecha, etc) 3. 25%: Great Setting, Rules are clunky, but I work with them. 4. 25%: Fun game. It has its faults. A revision would be nice. 5. 15%: All hail our Lord & Master Sembia! Creator of the most perfect thing in all of existence! (Seems every RPG has around a 15% Die hard base that thinks its the best thing since sliced bread). Of this Subset of the RPG Market (which isn't the biggest market to begin with), only that last group probably makes a purchase 1-2 times a month. I know a lot in groups 3 & 4 that maybe only buy 1 product a year (many haven't made a purchase in 10 years). They still play, but don't see a reason to buy anything new as the rules set has been largely stagnant for 15+ years. Rifts has a limited fanbase. It hasn't been a growing fanbase in quite some time (according to our local game store it's declined quite a lot over the last 15 years, though pretty steady the past 5 or so). Rifts has done quite well with its limited market share, and Kevin has shown no desire to try to grow that Market Share. This works fine as long a no disaster hits. Palladium has had a disaster hit. They Could Fold (See TSR), Emerge Reborn (See Harley Davidson), or manage to survive & back to business as usual (Drawing a Blank). If Palladium avoids Bankruptcy, I expect they will go back to Business as Usual. But, again, I could care less. I haven't been a potential Rifts Customer for over a Decade. [/QUOTE]

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