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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Welverin" data-source="post: 2280758" data-attributes="member: 433">Problem with that is people are constantly getting knocked out and coming back to full strength just when the plot calls for. Earlier in the very same movie Obi-Wan was unconscious for a fair bit of time, but once he woke up he was at full strength. Furthermore, while Mace did beat Palpy down, he didn’t do any real damage, he just disarmed him, a clear win when you’re using lightsabers, so Palpy throwing out some force lightning doesn’t mean much.In ep2 we see how ineffective the trading of force attacks is, even a significantly less experienced/powerful Obi-Wan is able to easily fend off Dooku’s force lightning. The only time we see it used effectively is when the victim is surprised or recently been amputated.Or you can view it my way, there's enough there for us to figure it out on our own. Just from Obi-Wan's conversation with Mace and Yoda it's easy enough to conclude that Sifo-Dyas was dead and someone pretending to be him ordered the clone army (i.e. Sidious or a minion).Is it really necessary that every little be plainly stated and detailed for us?Problem is the timing with that doesn't work, the clone army was ordered at the time of Ep1, and we already know that Sidious had Maul as his apprentice at that time.</blockquote>