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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3243175" data-attributes="member: 29746">I haven't done anything like this directly in-game, though I have had shake-ups happen in recent memory- for example, one event called the 'Revolution of Five Elements' wherein five (pretty much insane) Demigods got together and tried to replace the traditional elements with their own ideas, specifically those matching the '<a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/" target="_blank">Discordian</a> Elements' of Boom, Orange, Prickle, Pungent, and Sweet. The demigods' scheme failed, and they were imprisoned in the demiplanes they had created in the attempt to replace the Elemental Planes- and their worshippers totally cut off from them. They are now, effectively, dead, though their servant creatures (collectively dubbed the 'Chaos Elementals') still roam the cosmos looking for ways to bring their creators power and hoping to one day break them free again.Okay, so maybe I took a comment I read once about 'Actual Elementals of these concepts should remain at best a warped alternative D&D concept' a little too seriously, but the game's all about fun right? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />As another example, it's postulated in history notes that the pantheon which originally got together to help the world 5000 years ago had only 21 members, all Lesser Deity or above in status, so that means that at least three times in history a trio of Demideities has been promoted to Lessers (and at least some Lessers have risen to Intermediates). I haven't ever actually sat down and figured out who ascended to what level when, but it probably wouldn't be hard to figure out since I know who the original 21 were (all are still around as members of the current Thirty, and the Triad were the leaders even at the beginning).Actually, the deaths would happen because the gods would get together to fight the demons, and thus be vulnerable to taking personal damage- as well as losing the massive power that would come from losing so many of their worshippers (if not all), not to mention losing the battle in the first place (which would tend to make people turn away from them and look for some other 'True Power' to help them survive). As for how things are assumed to stand now, I'm basically assuming the dark gods are more interested in direct interaction with mortals than anything on the actual Outer Planes, or they could collectively get together and whup the demon/devil lords' butts with a token effort. The archfiends are, in other words, definitely assumed to be less than deities, though presumably as individuals each one is a match for a single Lesser God or Demigod depending on the entity in question.Not the way you seem to be assuming- what you have to understand about the event is the timing of it. Specifically, it all happened pretty much at the height of that incredibly-high-tech-and-magic civilization I mentioned before. The Devils basically didn't honestly believe that the mortals would be capable of beating them, since individually a mortal is so much less powerful than one of them, but the mortal technology was far, far more powerful than the fiends realized. And to their eternal folly and regret, they provoked the mortals to send the 'Great Red Fleet' in response- even Asmodeus himself wasn't able to withstand the onslaught of three planet-sized warships bristling with weapons to make the Death Star look like a toy hand crossbow! Basically, up until that point the cosmos outside this mortal civilization had been treating them pretty much as any other mortal world, ignoring the potential their technology and magical expertise gave them. After the counterstrike on the Hells and Heavens, well... we'll just say the mortals got more respect and leave it at that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Of course, the modern-day inhabitants of the world aren't nearly as powerful as their ancestors, a fact which the demons fully intend to exploit in their upcoming invasion. Hence the possibility of failure.Yes, in the sense that you're thinking the alignments are new. They aren't- the deities who got together always did have their current alignments and spheres of influence, or anyway those 21 who were part of that pre-split pantheon did. The only thing that changed was the deities' reactions to and treatment of each other. Essentially before the split I'm assuming a sort of 'Principle of Active Morality' like that in Dragonstar was in effect; the deities respected each other and worked together even if some of them preferred rather nastier methods than others. Thus, which ones were Good or Evil didn't matter at that time- they all found ways to work together for the greater benefit of all, even the Evil ones who were in it (again) out of enlightened self-interest.</blockquote>

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