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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 5108408" data-attributes="member: 29746">I've never gone for that idea that matter is "bad," though. To me, that's shortsighted and elitist, perhaps even pretentious or arrogant. Matter is a part of our existence: and since time is a dimension, that means that no matter how far we transcend, it always will be part of it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> But we can certainly grow past/beyond our current limitations. It's just as (if not more) shortsighted to say that because we're limited, we always will be- or worse yet, always should be. Few things get my goat faster than a traditionalist arguing one of the variations of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."Never heard of that series before today. I may check that out in the near future, thanks.Honestly, sometimes I wonder if all this sort of speculation really is drawing on Jung's "collective unconscious" and therefore coming to us from some greater Entity in our own universe's future. Or one of our own futures, to be more precise. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> It'd be pretty cool, in my view, if such a being really were trying to get us to comprehend it (and perhaps even join it) by telling us about itself that way.It also occurs to me that in that Sci-Fi thread, we only had one race of superbeings mentioned who were Eternals (or better) beyond any possible doubt or argument: the Downstreamers. And having read the three Manifold entries in that series, I know that the best way to describe what those beings actually are, is to say that they're processes of pure information running on a universe-spanning computer at the (effective) end of time. So there again, the idea that Eternals are really pure information in their "true bodies" comes up.I put those two quotations together because- yep, DABBATIALDABAOTH would have come onto the game stage as a Stage I Demiurge with a +312 bonus. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> See, it was just waking up, so there was no reason to suggest it should be anything but the lowest possible Demiurge status.</blockquote>

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