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<blockquote data-quote="malebode" data-source="post: 1614611" data-attributes="member: 20256">I've been thinking about it, and it seems to me that a shield user ought to suffer a penalty for using both hands.&nbsp; It's obviously easier to use a sword and shield than a sword and parrying dagger, so I'm not suggesting a requirement of the Ambidexterity feat.&nbsp; Perhaps a -2 penalty on all attacks and parries if using the shield?&nbsp; Is there a reason that any fighter should be able to attack as easily with a shield as without in this modified system?The cunundrum I have is this; If I allow a shield user to block as many attacks as he has in his attack sequence, he will be far far more powerful than an equivalent dual-wielder who has taken two feats to get there!&nbsp; I realize the dual-wielder gets an extra attack, but he will be giving up an increasing number of defensive actions as the BAB goes up.If I do not provide any parry actions for &quot;free&quot;, then the dual wielder will only be able to dodge, while the shield user will have a lot of defenses.[CODE]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ftr w/ Sword &amp; Shield&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ftr w/TWF and AmbiBAB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Attack&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Block&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Attack&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Block+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -1/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -None-+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -None-+11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +9/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -None-+16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +14/+14/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; -None-[/CODE]However, if I give a parry for each attack, it still doesn't balance out, as shown below.[CODE]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ---------Ftr w/ Sword &amp; Shield--------------&nbsp; &nbsp; ----------Ftr w/TWF and Ambi------------BAB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Attack&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Parry&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Block&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Attack&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Parry&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Block+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -1/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -1/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -None-+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -None-+11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +9/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +9/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -None-+16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp;&nbsp; +14/+14/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; +14/+14/+9/+4/-1&nbsp; -None-[/CODE]Yes, this situation is over-complex.&nbsp; But in order to achieve the effect I want, it will have to get more complicated before it can be simplified, I think.&nbsp; Any further suggestions, given my concern of not screwing the two-weapon wielder (or anyone else without a shield, for that matter)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="malebode, post: 1614611, member: 20256"] I've been thinking about it, and it seems to me that a shield user ought to suffer a penalty for using both hands. It's obviously easier to use a sword and shield than a sword and parrying dagger, so I'm not suggesting a requirement of the Ambidexterity feat. Perhaps a -2 penalty on all attacks and parries if using the shield? Is there a reason that any fighter should be able to attack as easily with a shield as without in this modified system? The cunundrum I have is this; If I allow a shield user to block as many attacks as he has in his attack sequence, he will be far far more powerful than an equivalent dual-wielder who has taken two feats to get there! I realize the dual-wielder gets an extra attack, but he will be giving up an increasing number of defensive actions as the BAB goes up. If I do not provide any parry actions for "free", then the dual wielder will only be able to dodge, while the shield user will have a lot of defenses. [CODE] Ftr w/ Sword & Shield Ftr w/TWF and Ambi BAB Attack Block Attack Block +1 +1 +1 -1/-1 -None- +6/+1 +6/+1 +6/+1 +4/+4/-1 -None- +11/+6/+1 +11/+6/+1 +11/+6/+1 +9/+9/+4/-1 -None- +16/+11/+6/+1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +14/+14/+9/+4/-1 -None-[/CODE] However, if I give a parry for each attack, it still doesn't balance out, as shown below. [CODE] ---------Ftr w/ Sword & Shield-------------- ----------Ftr w/TWF and Ambi------------ BAB Attack Parry Block Attack Parry Block +1 +1 +1 +1 -1/-1 -1/-1 -None- +6/+1 +6/+1 +6/+1 +6/+1 +4/+4/-1 +4/+4/-1 -None- +11/+6/+1 +11/+6/+1 +11/+6/+1 +11/+6/+1 +9/+9/+4/-1 +9/+9/+4/-1 -None- +16/+11/+6/+1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +14/+14/+9/+4/-1 +14/+14/+9/+4/-1 -None- [/CODE] Yes, this situation is over-complex. But in order to achieve the effect I want, it will have to get more complicated before it can be simplified, I think. Any further suggestions, given my concern of not screwing the two-weapon wielder (or anyone else without a shield, for that matter)? [/QUOTE]

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