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<blockquote data-quote="Doskious" data-source="post: 8491820" data-attributes="member: 86490"><p>I concede the point: the rules as written, under the strictest interpretation provide no identified meaning to the phrase "...you can gain an expertise die to your AC..."</p><p></p><p>Under the first order interpretation, though, it either still provides not identifiable meaning, or it doesn't address why the Elusive ability specifically calls out that the die increases by one stage. Assuming your first order interpretation, expertise dice stack: up to a d8 from having three sources that provide unspecified or d4 specified expertise dice to something, or from two sources one of which provides a d6 expertise die to something, or from one source that provides a d8 expertise die to something, or up to a d10 or a d12 in the event that abilities are employed that make use of specific caveats to the general cap at d8. Why, then, is Elusive phrased as explicitly scaling up the expertise die rather than as adding another (stacking) expertise die?</p><p></p><p>The only conclusion I came to was that the dice didn't stack in this context, but I agree that this conclusion not supported by RAW.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that descending beyond the first order interpretation is folly, though.</p><p></p><p>I should also note that my planned conclusion (posted on Morrus' discord in #homebrew) is to make all possible sourced of expertise dice stack and scale as applying a modifier to your AC when using any of these options, which makes it less impenetrable, but still potentially satisfying to add 8 to your AC against an attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Doskious, post: 8491820, member: 86490"] I concede the point: the rules as written, under the strictest interpretation provide no identified meaning to the phrase "...you can gain an expertise die to your AC..." Under the first order interpretation, though, it either still provides not identifiable meaning, or it doesn't address why the Elusive ability specifically calls out that the die increases by one stage. Assuming your first order interpretation, expertise dice stack: up to a d8 from having three sources that provide unspecified or d4 specified expertise dice to something, or from two sources one of which provides a d6 expertise die to something, or from one source that provides a d8 expertise die to something, or up to a d10 or a d12 in the event that abilities are employed that make use of specific caveats to the general cap at d8. Why, then, is Elusive phrased as explicitly scaling up the expertise die rather than as adding another (stacking) expertise die? The only conclusion I came to was that the dice didn't stack in this context, but I agree that this conclusion not supported by RAW. I do agree that descending beyond the first order interpretation is folly, though. I should also note that my planned conclusion (posted on Morrus' discord in #homebrew) is to make all possible sourced of expertise dice stack and scale as applying a modifier to your AC when using any of these options, which makes it less impenetrable, but still potentially satisfying to add 8 to your AC against an attack. [/QUOTE]
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