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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6948983" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>For a DM its fantastic. You can shrug and say 'ruling' and win.</p><p></p><p>From the other side, rocking up to a table with a bad DM is painful. Ive had to pull the whole 'Oh hey, just got a text from my dying mother and I have to leave' on a few occasions. </p><p></p><p>Once when this odious grinning neck-beard had a hidden creature attack me before initiative was rolled. He then got in a second attack during a 'surprise round'. Seeing as he won initiative on round 1, it became three attacks in a row. The first two of which he rolled with advantage (creatures in the 'surprise round' get advantage apparently).</p><p></p><p>Also the creature was hidden while I spoke to another creature, [weapon up and expecting combat]. I wasnt allowed a perception check either [or even to apply my passive perception to spot the hidden creature] because to quote our fine DM: 'I didnt ask for one'.</p><p></p><p>Not that it mattered as the creature didnt have to roll a Stealth check either seeing as 'it was behind total cover and I had no way of seeing it'.</p><p></p><p>No amount of polite pointing to the rules (attacks happen after initiative not before, there is no such thing as a surprise round, and even if there was, there is no advantage granted against a surprised creature, and in any event, I shouldnt have been surprised as I was alert to danger and aware of the hidden creatures presence, I should have at least applied my passive perception to the creatures Stealth check [which was never made], and I cant exactly ask for a perception check to spot a creature I don't know its there) mattered. </p><p></p><p>Also, the creature I failed to notice was an Ogre. I was proficient in perception, not that it mattered because the Ogre was (for reasons described above) <em>imperceptible</em>.</p><p></p><p>But that was the case with PF as well. Bad DMs gonna bad DM, no matter what system you put in front of them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6948983, member: 6788736"] For a DM its fantastic. You can shrug and say 'ruling' and win. From the other side, rocking up to a table with a bad DM is painful. Ive had to pull the whole 'Oh hey, just got a text from my dying mother and I have to leave' on a few occasions. Once when this odious grinning neck-beard had a hidden creature attack me before initiative was rolled. He then got in a second attack during a 'surprise round'. Seeing as he won initiative on round 1, it became three attacks in a row. The first two of which he rolled with advantage (creatures in the 'surprise round' get advantage apparently). Also the creature was hidden while I spoke to another creature, [weapon up and expecting combat]. I wasnt allowed a perception check either [or even to apply my passive perception to spot the hidden creature] because to quote our fine DM: 'I didnt ask for one'. Not that it mattered as the creature didnt have to roll a Stealth check either seeing as 'it was behind total cover and I had no way of seeing it'. No amount of polite pointing to the rules (attacks happen after initiative not before, there is no such thing as a surprise round, and even if there was, there is no advantage granted against a surprised creature, and in any event, I shouldnt have been surprised as I was alert to danger and aware of the hidden creatures presence, I should have at least applied my passive perception to the creatures Stealth check [which was never made], and I cant exactly ask for a perception check to spot a creature I don't know its there) mattered. Also, the creature I failed to notice was an Ogre. I was proficient in perception, not that it mattered because the Ogre was (for reasons described above) [I]imperceptible[/I]. But that was the case with PF as well. Bad DMs gonna bad DM, no matter what system you put in front of them. [/QUOTE]
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