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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5132793" data-attributes="member: 43019">Hmm. All 11th -Fighter AC 32: 15 + 13 (+3 Plate) + 2 Shield + 1 Spec + 1 Paragon PathWarden AC 24: 15 + 5 (+2 Hide) + 4 (Wis or Con)Avenger AC 30: 15 + 3 (+3 Cloth) + 2 (Unarmored Agility) + 5 (Improved Armor of Faith) + 5 (Int or Dex)Sorcerer AC 21: 15 + 2 (+2 Cloth) + 4 (Str or Dex)Shaman AC 20: 15 + 4 (+2 Leather) + 1 (Dex or Int)Wizard AC 27: 15 + 3 (+3 Cloth) + 2 (Unarmored Agility) + 2 (Staff with Staff Fighting) + 5 (Int)Neat looking at it like that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So... beyond proposing houserules is there really anything to do there, though? I mean, there's an errata request in to clean up the Shaman, cause it's just a mess. Other than that, the spread is 21-32. The 21 could easily be 3 or 4 higher AC, if it chose (+2 feat, +1 enh, +1 stat) - so the question becomes how important is choice?  Is it bad for some characters to pass up armor with a higher enhancement, while others pursue it at all costs? Is it bad that some classes don't get either heavy armor or their primary stat to AC?The warden should get slapped around some, and the fighter should feel invulnerable some. I mean, one put everything into maxing its AC and the other put nothing at all. It may be a stronger drift than you're hoping (again, I'd rather it was about 4), but the warden's lack of a shield probably gives him stronger damage or better tactical options (polearm gamble, frex) If it's literally that you want house rules. Again, we've got a forum for it. There have been all sorts of topics about normalizing defenses and such. Personally, I'd simplify it to:Light Armor: +1Heavy Armor: +1Shield: +1Defensive Class: +1and then shred almost everything else. Which would turn it into:Fighter AC 29: 25 + 2 (Heavy) + 1 (Shield) + 1 (Defensive)Warden AC 27: 25 + 1 (Light) + 1 (Defensive)Avenger AC 26: 25 + 1 (Defensive)Sorcerer AC 25: 25 Shaman AC 26: 25 + 1 (Light)Wizard AC 26: 25 + 1 (Defensive - Staff)I'd consider giving the Warden and Avenger another +1 on top of that, for their class features. Ie, Armor of Faith (Light, +1) and Guardian Might (Light -> Heavy +1), but that's mostly bookkeeping at that point and I suspect not worth doing in the Warden's case, but worth it for the Avenger. But, like I said, that's deep into house rules and 5e territory.Frankly, you don't sweat it. Put in level appropriate foes, and let them figure out the rest. Some will get hit more against AC. Some will get hit more against Reflex. Some choose to sacrifice defense for more damage. Control the variables you can, and move onwards. A level 12 skirmisher is +17 vs. AC. He has to roll a 3 to hit the lowest and a 15 to hit the highest. They're still on the same die at least, even if it is a bit ridiculous. Enough so that the fighter will get in a few extra attacks just by virtue of it being worth the enemy's time to just take the hits however he can.P.S. Nifft - if you ever want to charge past a fighter and you're willing to take the OA, you just move - let him hit (or miss) you, then charge. Can't OA you twice.</blockquote>

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