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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7485558" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Fantastic troll bait there - posture this again as a discussion of like or dislike of player agency when i actually pointed out that its expanding the meaning of player agency into some form of "all the power i want" kind of positioning and anti-Gm balance that i have a problem is. My issue with how its presented here is also not about "meaningful choices" (which the spell as presented and confirmed by sage allows) or "informed choices" (which the spell as presented and confirmed by sage allows) but about the relative scope and power of choices at levels and their impact on the relative power and effect in the game - you know - balance - apparantly to some the arch-nemesis of player agency.As for Gms sharking the players over this spell or other spells, again i point to the trivialization of "player agency" since a Gm wanting to shark the players has a gazillion more effective ways to do it that are no where near as obvious as a shark in the desert. the answer to that Gm is the ultimate player agency - saying "goodbye". but calling player agency over not getting to dial up your choice of every and any animal within the MM within the spells potential scope - again - trivializing what player agency was about - not "i always get what i want" but "i get to matter" at least for some. For some it may be the former.Go figure.Again tho, if the example you choose  is representative of how your game actually plays when you are not foruming your cause - then hey - our games are very very different. If they are not and sharking the players is an example not of play but that you have to go that far to support your point - thats says something too.</blockquote>

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