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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2542185" data-attributes="member: 29014">I usually don't TPK, but I had one group that was really really stupid.&nbsp; It was simply astounding.&nbsp; They were level 4.&nbsp; They ran into an ambush in a dark cave by level 1 goblins with crossbows, and the party only had one torch.&nbsp; Meanwhile, the psion, who could have probably killed all the goblins in one round, hadn't put up any of his long-term defensive buffs before this, so he went down in one round.&nbsp; The party retreated, almost dead, barely surviving thanks to a crazy Wilder who managed to melee all the goblins into a retreat by himself, and healed up.&nbsp; This isn't the stupid part yet.&nbsp; Here comes:&nbsp; They go back into the cave, back into the same room with the goblin crossbow ambush, back with only one torch, and back without putting any buffs up, not even an Inertial Armour...why??&nbsp; They all died <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />On the other hand, my other group had a level 4 Fighter who successfully soloed a Balor to death in 3.0.&nbsp; It all goes to show you that player savvy and strategy makes a big difference, perhaps moreso than the challenge represented by the opposition.&nbsp; So from what I've read of this case, where the party is ready to try some guerilla tactics on the giants and are generally well-informed, I'd say go for it--soudns like fun <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2542185, member: 29014"] I usually don't TPK, but I had one group that was really really stupid. It was simply astounding. They were level 4. They ran into an ambush in a dark cave by level 1 goblins with crossbows, and the party only had one torch. Meanwhile, the psion, who could have probably killed all the goblins in one round, hadn't put up any of his long-term defensive buffs before this, so he went down in one round. The party retreated, almost dead, barely surviving thanks to a crazy Wilder who managed to melee all the goblins into a retreat by himself, and healed up. This isn't the stupid part yet. Here comes: They go back into the cave, back into the same room with the goblin crossbow ambush, back with only one torch, and back without putting any buffs up, not even an Inertial Armour...why?? They all died :lol: On the other hand, my other group had a level 4 Fighter who successfully soloed a Balor to death in 3.0. It all goes to show you that player savvy and strategy makes a big difference, perhaps moreso than the challenge represented by the opposition. So from what I've read of this case, where the party is ready to try some guerilla tactics on the giants and are generally well-informed, I'd say go for it--soudns like fun :) [/QUOTE]

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