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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6552987" data-attributes="member: 5834">You don't know what a strawman argument is. That term is thrown around far too often by people that are complaining about something that they don't agree with and want to make their opinion seem more authentic. Couching your opinion in logical terms does not make it anything other than it is: an opinion. One that is incapable of being logically argued because the game it is based on is not based on logic or anything close to what might be construed as logic. It is an imaginary fantasy game based on illogical source material dreamed up by authors and ancient folk writing myth. There is no argument occurring between you and I, thus no possibility of a straw man argument. What I stated was the history of D&amp;D. You want D&amp;D to be something else. It isn't. So you continue to argue your viewpoint thinking it will bring about change. It won't. If you prefer 4E, then play it. No one is stopping you. There are still people that play 1st edition and other derivatives. You have that option. No one is forcing you to play 5E. No one has forced you to play any edition of D&amp;D. It is a completely optional game.In fantasy literature, there have been everything from wizards with the power to destroy the world to wizards with the power to do a few tricks. D&amp;D tries to mirror that vast scope of magic in one game by using a midrange standard for magic that you have the ability to modify according to your desires. There is nothing stopping you from doing this. I will leave it at that because no amount of discussion is going to make someone like yourself realize the game is made until the next iteration. It's obvious your particular viewpoint for magic is not the most popular or desirable one for the D&amp;D players polled. Thus you will have to modify the system yourself to fit your tastes. We have all had to do that at one point or another with the D&amp;D system. It is your only option besides choosing a different game. Good gaming to you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6552987, member: 5834"] You don't know what a strawman argument is. That term is thrown around far too often by people that are complaining about something that they don't agree with and want to make their opinion seem more authentic. Couching your opinion in logical terms does not make it anything other than it is: an opinion. One that is incapable of being logically argued because the game it is based on is not based on logic or anything close to what might be construed as logic. It is an imaginary fantasy game based on illogical source material dreamed up by authors and ancient folk writing myth. There is no argument occurring between you and I, thus no possibility of a straw man argument. What I stated was the history of D&D. You want D&D to be something else. It isn't. So you continue to argue your viewpoint thinking it will bring about change. It won't. If you prefer 4E, then play it. No one is stopping you. There are still people that play 1st edition and other derivatives. You have that option. No one is forcing you to play 5E. No one has forced you to play any edition of D&D. It is a completely optional game. In fantasy literature, there have been everything from wizards with the power to destroy the world to wizards with the power to do a few tricks. D&D tries to mirror that vast scope of magic in one game by using a midrange standard for magic that you have the ability to modify according to your desires. There is nothing stopping you from doing this. I will leave it at that because no amount of discussion is going to make someone like yourself realize the game is made until the next iteration. It's obvious your particular viewpoint for magic is not the most popular or desirable one for the D&D players polled. Thus you will have to modify the system yourself to fit your tastes. We have all had to do that at one point or another with the D&D system. It is your only option besides choosing a different game. Good gaming to you. [/QUOTE]

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