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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6555060" data-attributes="member: 6786202">I agree that from a party optimisation viewpoint it's better to have a party of casters (and I include the Paladin as a caster) than non-casters yes.Where I disagree however are:1. From a standard combat pillar standpoint you do not *need* casters at the upper echelons of play. The monsters in the book have been designed with this in mind.2. From a standard exploration pillar standpoint you also do not *need* casters at the upper echelons of play, and in fact with how short spell durations are now, and how limited spell slots are, it's always good to fall back to skills in this regard. But this is why I rate the Lore Bard so highly, as he is a full caster and has amazing skills to fall back on.So it depends what you are trying to argue, what I got from your original posts is that you feel you simply can't play non-casters and be effective. You can and no one will kick you out of the party. If you are trying to argue however that it's more optimal to play spell casters (Paladin included) then sure, I agree. I will caution you however that the gap between &quot;Standard&quot; and &quot;Optimal&quot; in 5e is much smaller than say in 3rd Edition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6555060, member: 6786202"] I agree that from a party optimisation viewpoint it's better to have a party of casters (and I include the Paladin as a caster) than non-casters yes. Where I disagree however are: 1. From a standard combat pillar standpoint you do not *need* casters at the upper echelons of play. The monsters in the book have been designed with this in mind. 2. From a standard exploration pillar standpoint you also do not *need* casters at the upper echelons of play, and in fact with how short spell durations are now, and how limited spell slots are, it's always good to fall back to skills in this regard. But this is why I rate the Lore Bard so highly, as he is a full caster and has amazing skills to fall back on. So it depends what you are trying to argue, what I got from your original posts is that you feel you simply can't play non-casters and be effective. You can and no one will kick you out of the party. If you are trying to argue however that it's more optimal to play spell casters (Paladin included) then sure, I agree. I will caution you however that the gap between "Standard" and "Optimal" in 5e is much smaller than say in 3rd Edition. [/QUOTE]

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