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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6557389" data-attributes="member: 6787650">That's called "shifting the goalposts". First you claimed that you can't model Conan in 5E. That's not true. Now you're claiming that not every 5E fighter is a Conan. That is true, but I fail to see how it's interesting. Not every 5E wizard is HPMOR!Lord Voldemort either, and not everyone rolls 18s in every stat. (And the ones who do roll 18s in every stat are disproportionately likely to be played by idiots, so will fail to measure up to the Nietzsche superman archetype by virtue of stupid actions as opposed to low stats.)The claim that "you can do anything and everything the corresponding archetype can do in any example from genre" just isn't true either. In case you haven't noticed, 5E wizards are incredibly weak compared to genre wizards. They're maybe 0.1% as powerful as Pug, 1% as powerful as Macros the Black, 1-10% as powerful as Lord Voldemort (although hopefully a whole lot smarter and therefore more effective--Lord Voldemort has access to unlimited Imperius/Avada Kedavras! In 5E terms that's like being able to cast Disintegrate and Dominate Person at will, and the domination is permanent, and you can use your dominated puppets to dominate others--and yet somehow, Voldemort plays the game so poorly that he's about as scary as a psychopathic neighborhood gangster, not an evil archmage), 1% as powerful as Niven's Warlock, 1% as powerful as Brandon Sanderson's Lord Ruler, 0.1% as powerful as Rand al'Thor, 0.00001% as powerful as David Edding's Belgarion (who almost accidentally used the orb to rearrang the constellations to spell his name out in giant glowing letters)... Needless to say there are other wizards in genre fiction like Harry Dresden who are more roughly on par with D&D wizards, but the claim that D&D wizards can do "anything and everything" genre wizards can do is just plain false.I think I'm done here. Conan works in 5E. He's a little uninteresting on the combat battleboard due to the blandness of 5E martial combat, but then again, most of the interesting stuff Conan did didn't involve personal weaponry anyway AFAICT. (Does Conan even have any interesting personal fight scenes?) If you do try playing Conan in 5E, you may play out the combats, or you may just have a gentleman's agreement that Conan automatically kills up to (level) mooks whenever he wants to, and focus on the story atmospherics and politicking and ambushes and stuff. Conan stories seem to be as much about atmospherics and the decadence of civilized men as they are about Conan smiting things.</blockquote>

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