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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5965386" data-attributes="member: 29398">In the &quot;magic items in 5e&quot; thread in news, during a discussion about the fine-tuning of math over the various editions, [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION] noted:This got me thinking: one thing 1e (and 0e and 2e) could handle was a pretty wide variance in party size without things breaking too badly.&nbsp; Most 1e modules give quite a wide range when suggesting party size, as in &quot;from 4-8 characters ...&quot;.&nbsp; But 3e was specifically designed for a 4-character party, and 4e for a 5-character party - and varying from those numbers by more than one can really upset the math. (I've seen this in action; in the 3e campaign I played in our average party size was about 8-10, this threw the CR-EL system for a real loop)As for level variance, again 1e modules usually gave a suggested range, assuming the party would have internal level variance.&nbsp; I've found lately, though - particularly with 4e modules - that while they give a level range (e.g. Keep on the Shadowfell's 1-3 range) it instead means it's designed for them to all go in at the low level in that range and all come out at the high.I think the game should be flexible enough to handle internal level range in the party, and to handle parties of varying size.&nbsp; It's been done before; it can be done again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lan-&quot;the last few Sundays have told me a party of 18 4th-7th level characters is tough to challenge&quot;-efan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 5965386, member: 29398"] In the "magic items in 5e" thread in news, during a discussion about the fine-tuning of math over the various editions, [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION] noted: This got me thinking: one thing 1e (and 0e and 2e) could handle was a pretty wide variance in party size without things breaking too badly. Most 1e modules give quite a wide range when suggesting party size, as in "from 4-8 characters ...". But 3e was specifically designed for a 4-character party, and 4e for a 5-character party - and varying from those numbers by more than one can really upset the math. (I've seen this in action; in the 3e campaign I played in our average party size was about 8-10, this threw the CR-EL system for a real loop) As for level variance, again 1e modules usually gave a suggested range, assuming the party would have internal level variance. I've found lately, though - particularly with 4e modules - that while they give a level range (e.g. Keep on the Shadowfell's 1-3 range) it instead means it's designed for them to all go in at the low level in that range and all come out at the high. I think the game should be flexible enough to handle internal level range in the party, and to handle parties of varying size. It's been done before; it can be done again. :) Lan-"the last few Sundays have told me a party of 18 4th-7th level characters is tough to challenge"-efan [/QUOTE]

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