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<blockquote data-quote="crashtestdummy" data-source="post: 6834247" data-attributes="member: 6803354">Passive &lt;skill&gt;, to me, equates to the 'take 10' in other systems. That is, assume a roll of 10. In other systems, it's used when there's no stress and little or no chance of a dangerous result. It means that if you take a bit of time and just use the skill naturally, you get a naturally expected result.What's missing is the equivalent of a 'take 20' from other systems. That is, assume you can try as many times as you like until you get a success, assuming that a roll of 20 would be a success. Doing so takes more time and assume that there are no bad results from a failure, but it means, for example, you can keep trying to pick that lock until you get it just right (assuming the difficulty of the lock isn't completely beyond you).I can see elements of both of these in the opening post, but they're mixed up. I think separating them is useful. A 'take 10' is for someone with skill in an area that isn't really expected to fail (such as the barbarian's athletics check in the opening post). A 'take 20' is for someone who can take their time to keep trying until they succeed (the wizard's history check in the opening post). They're two different scenarios.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="crashtestdummy, post: 6834247, member: 6803354"] Passive <skill>, to me, equates to the 'take 10' in other systems. That is, assume a roll of 10. In other systems, it's used when there's no stress and little or no chance of a dangerous result. It means that if you take a bit of time and just use the skill naturally, you get a naturally expected result. What's missing is the equivalent of a 'take 20' from other systems. That is, assume you can try as many times as you like until you get a success, assuming that a roll of 20 would be a success. Doing so takes more time and assume that there are no bad results from a failure, but it means, for example, you can keep trying to pick that lock until you get it just right (assuming the difficulty of the lock isn't completely beyond you). I can see elements of both of these in the opening post, but they're mixed up. I think separating them is useful. A 'take 10' is for someone with skill in an area that isn't really expected to fail (such as the barbarian's athletics check in the opening post). A 'take 20' is for someone who can take their time to keep trying until they succeed (the wizard's history check in the opening post). They're two different scenarios. [/QUOTE]

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