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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7513496" data-attributes="member: 7006">Well, the rules don't say the DM has to do anything.But if you are using PP as a DM... you probably have figured out how PP applies to finding things in your game.&nbsp; And there's a pretty good chance that for things that are to be noticed... the DM will use the PP of the PCs first to see if they succeed.&nbsp; If no one does, and a player then asks to actively search for something, the DM will let them roll.&nbsp; And if they roll higher than a 10, then their Perception check lets them find something that their PP didn't.Now if you want to suggest that there are DMs who use PP in their games but make players sometimes roll Perception checks without checking their PPs first... it does make me wonder why they are bothering to use PP at all then?&nbsp; At what point does the DM decide &quot;okay, this thing to be noticed can be found using PP... but this other thing can't be and is only found by rolling.&quot;?&nbsp; And why bother making that distinction?&nbsp; What does it gain you to go through the effort in trying to decide on every noticeable thing which ones can be noticed using PP and which ones can't?For my money... DMs should just save themselves the aggravation and either let everything possibly be found with PP, or don't use PP at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7513496, member: 7006"] Well, the rules don't say the DM has to do anything. But if you are using PP as a DM... you probably have figured out how PP applies to finding things in your game. And there's a pretty good chance that for things that are to be noticed... the DM will use the PP of the PCs first to see if they succeed. If no one does, and a player then asks to actively search for something, the DM will let them roll. And if they roll higher than a 10, then their Perception check lets them find something that their PP didn't. Now if you want to suggest that there are DMs who use PP in their games but make players sometimes roll Perception checks without checking their PPs first... it does make me wonder why they are bothering to use PP at all then? At what point does the DM decide "okay, this thing to be noticed can be found using PP... but this other thing can't be and is only found by rolling."? And why bother making that distinction? What does it gain you to go through the effort in trying to decide on every noticeable thing which ones can be noticed using PP and which ones can't? For my money... DMs should just save themselves the aggravation and either let everything possibly be found with PP, or don't use PP at all. [/QUOTE]

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