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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7513516" data-attributes="member: 7006">Speaking personally, there is absolutely no reason why PP wouldn't apply to both of those situations.&nbsp; The only change would be in the DC that is set for them.The monster in the box?&nbsp; Their DEX (Stealth) check tells us how well they are hidden in that box.&nbsp; If you enter the room, your PP doesn't mean you need to &quot;repeatedly search the room&quot;... it means that if the monster's Stealth check fell under your PP, then the monster just wasn't very quiet stuck in that box.&nbsp; And you noticed via your PP that there was something inside that big box.&nbsp; If your PP was under its Stealth check, then it means it did a really good job at hiding from you and keeping quiet.&nbsp; And the only way you'll find the monster is if you tell the DM &quot;I'm going to go look in that box over there.&quot; and the DM might have you roll an &quot;active&quot; Perception check.(Of course, in this particular scenario you wouldn't really need to roll at all, because as soon as you opened the box the monster was no longer behind cover and was now in line of sight, thus breaking its hidden status anyway.&nbsp; But you get where I was going.)And in terms of the false book on a shelf... if its supposed to be a really hidden false book, the DC to discover it will just be higher than anyone's PP, at which point it doesn't really matter.&nbsp; But there's also no reason to think the DC to notice this false book couldn't in fact be lower than a PC's PP, as it just means that the book was not disguised very well.&nbsp; It stuck out too far, it was an odd color, there was dust on the shelf in front of every other book except that one, or whatever.If you're going to use PP as a DM... I don't see any reason why you wouldn't have it apply to any potential check.&nbsp; Because the checks where it wouldn't apply are the ones where you probably made the DC so high no one was noticing it through their PP anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7513516, member: 7006"] Speaking personally, there is absolutely no reason why PP wouldn't apply to both of those situations. The only change would be in the DC that is set for them. The monster in the box? Their DEX (Stealth) check tells us how well they are hidden in that box. If you enter the room, your PP doesn't mean you need to "repeatedly search the room"... it means that if the monster's Stealth check fell under your PP, then the monster just wasn't very quiet stuck in that box. And you noticed via your PP that there was something inside that big box. If your PP was under its Stealth check, then it means it did a really good job at hiding from you and keeping quiet. And the only way you'll find the monster is if you tell the DM "I'm going to go look in that box over there." and the DM might have you roll an "active" Perception check. (Of course, in this particular scenario you wouldn't really need to roll at all, because as soon as you opened the box the monster was no longer behind cover and was now in line of sight, thus breaking its hidden status anyway. But you get where I was going.) And in terms of the false book on a shelf... if its supposed to be a really hidden false book, the DC to discover it will just be higher than anyone's PP, at which point it doesn't really matter. But there's also no reason to think the DC to notice this false book couldn't in fact be lower than a PC's PP, as it just means that the book was not disguised very well. It stuck out too far, it was an odd color, there was dust on the shelf in front of every other book except that one, or whatever. If you're going to use PP as a DM... I don't see any reason why you wouldn't have it apply to any potential check. Because the checks where it [I]wouldn't[/I] apply are the ones where you probably made the DC so high no one was noticing it through their PP anyway. [/QUOTE]

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