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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7513529" data-attributes="member: 7006">Nope, you both are quite clear.&nbsp; But to my mind, the rules don't really say either way how or when PP should apply.Like I said... if you as a DM want to go through the effort of deciding on a case-by-case basis &quot;this can be found via PP, this other thing cannot&quot;... go nuts.&nbsp; To me, though, that's just an extra unnecessary step.How I determine whether something can be found by PP?&nbsp; The DC tells me.&nbsp; If the DC is above the PC's PP, then they can't find it via PP.&nbsp; If it's below, then they can.After all... if someone makes a DEX (Stealth) check and rolls a 7... why would I ever decide &quot;Well, you know I don't think I'm going to let their PP find him, even though with that 7 it basically means his butt is sticking out.&nbsp; I'll wait for them to say they are going to look for him first and make them roll for it.&quot;&nbsp; The monster rolls way below their PP but I still make them roll Perception checks because who knows, they might roll horribly and still not see him?&nbsp; No thanks.&nbsp; To me, that's just silly.&nbsp; But every other DM can do what they wish.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7513529, member: 7006"] Nope, you both are quite clear. But to my mind, the rules don't really say either way how or when PP should apply. Like I said... if you as a DM want to go through the effort of deciding on a case-by-case basis "this can be found via PP, this other thing cannot"... go nuts. To me, though, that's just an extra unnecessary step. How I determine whether something can be found by PP? The DC tells me. If the DC is above the PC's PP, then they can't find it via PP. If it's below, then they can. After all... if someone makes a DEX (Stealth) check and rolls a 7... why would I ever decide "Well, you know I don't think I'm going to let their PP find him, even though with that 7 it basically means his butt is sticking out. I'll wait for them to say they are going to [I]look[/I] for him first and make them roll for it." The monster rolls way below their PP but I still make them roll Perception checks because who knows, they might roll horribly and still not see him? No thanks. To me, that's just silly. But every other DM can do what they wish. [/QUOTE]

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