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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7330900" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Well, the circumstance given by @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6934693" target="_blank">monkeydm</a> is that &quot;the orcs are not really looking&quot;, which, to me, raises the question of whether they're looking or not. I'm going to need to answer that question before I make a determination on whether there's going to be a Perception check. To me, &quot;not really looking&quot; suggests they aren't, so I wouldn't call for one. On the other hand, it could mean they &quot;sort of&quot; are looking, in which case I would need more details on why it's only &quot;sort of&quot;. IMO, at least one orc would need to be keeping watch for hidden threats to make it possible that the elf is noticed, and only then would I apply a situational modifier like disadvantage in the case of some factor like a high level of background noise from a nearby waterfall making it difficult for the orc(s) to detect the hidden elf's presence.In other words, I don't like to use disadvantage to model not really trying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7330900, member: 6787503"] Well, the circumstance given by @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6934693"]monkeydm[/URL][/U][/B][/I] is that "the orcs are not really looking", which, to me, raises the question of whether they're looking or not. I'm going to need to answer that question before I make a determination on whether there's going to be a Perception check. To me, "not really looking" suggests they aren't, so I wouldn't call for one. On the other hand, it could mean they "sort of" [I]are[/I] looking, in which case I would need more details on why it's only "sort of". IMO, at least one orc would need to be keeping watch for hidden threats to make it possible that the elf is noticed, and only then would I apply a situational modifier like disadvantage in the case of some factor like a high level of background noise from a nearby waterfall making it difficult for the orc(s) to detect the hidden elf's presence. In other words, I don't like to use disadvantage to model not really trying. [/QUOTE]

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