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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6501277" data-attributes="member: 2011">While that might have some truth to it in the real world, the issue becomes one of almost never being able to ambush someone if there are 4 or more foes doing the ambushing because of game mechanics (i.e. typically, at least one creature out of four rolls a low stealth check). At least according to the surprise rules and normal math.With regard to not being able to do a group stealth check in the game, the Rogue puts some grease on the Fighter's armor to make it squeak less, the Bard sneaks forward, keeping the Cleric next to him so that she only breaks cover when he does, etc. No different than a group Athletics check to climb a cliff face with ropes. Those that can, help. Those that cannot, move very slowly.The math of group stealth checks allow for some of one side to not be surprised, while others on the same side are. Something that is interesting and desirable at times in the game. Not every encounter or maybe not even many encounters, but once in a while it's fun for the players (be it they are the ones stealthing, or the NPCs are doing it).</blockquote>