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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 6508994" data-attributes="member: 553">They players get to make plenty of their own rolls, especially if they declare they're actually, actively searching for traps. As it says on the tin, it's "passive" perception... the ability to notice stuff without consciously looking for it. For me, there is a point to the DM making the roll... not tipping players off to information or a situation their characters don't know about. Also, like the OP, I don't like someone with PP 15 *always* noticing something's there for a DC 15, or even just something's off, as in RangerWickett's suggestion. In addition, PP isn't just for traps. It's used for NPCs and monsters sneaking around or hiding, for instance. And the DM is going to make the roll for them, in my experience. Just think of the trap as another kind of monster.You can do the exact same thing with all the other approaches mentioned. However, in the DC vs PC version, note that if NONE of the PCs have a PP of 15 for a DC 15 trap, then NONE of them have a chance to realize there's anything amiss without active checking. Zero. BAM! Trap goes off and the players never had a chance. So much for player agency.Or, if the DM wants to nudge the players into investigating closer anyway, he has to ignore the DC and PP scores in the method you seem prefer.It's definitely a YMMV situation, but I think I like my suggestion better.</blockquote>