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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6511143" data-attributes="member: 2011">You do this in a game?You tell the players that regardless of rolls, that they will find something interesting automatically?And you tell them that they will draw unwanted attention due to searching if they fail their search check?The players know this information ahead of time? Strange. It sounds like a board game, picking up a card from the "treasure" pile. In a roleplaying game, the PCs (and often the players) shouldn't know ahead of time what will happen. They should decide to do an action or not without necessarily knowing the results and the consequences ahead of time. They can guess at likely possible results and consequences, but they shouldn't actually know for sure.The DM knows that there are NPCs nearby, the players shouldn't (unless they found this out earlier). The DM knows that there is something interesting to find, the players shouldn't (unless the scenario explicitly states that there is an item in this location and the players found that out earlier).My response as a player would be: "I think the stealthy party members should try to search so that we both find something AND have a good chance to not draw unwanted attention".Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying here, but this seems a bit odd.</blockquote>