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<blockquote data-quote="Psikerlord#" data-source="post: 6857367" data-attributes="member: 93321">All good points. My fundamental objection to passive is it by inference suggests you can keep retrying things, which I very much dislike, as &quot;I roll till I get a 20&quot; is the logical conclusion. Passive is then required to prevent this, but it doesnt make sense why you should be limited to a 10 on your d20 roll. Why cant you keep trying till you get a 20? (take 20).&nbsp; Reason of course is game balance, lots of stuff breaks if you take 20 on most situations - adventure lore, locks, traps, hiding for an ambush, scouting for an ambush, etc. My preferred solution is the default is no retries - until something changes in your favour. I understand others think, hell, why cant I retry! The answer is: Game balance man! If you can roll till you get a 20, you just threw random out the window. And the &quot;game&quot; part of RPG is as important a factor for me as the &quot;role&quot; (er, and &quot;playing!&quot;?) In any event, an interesting discussion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psikerlord#, post: 6857367, member: 93321"] All good points. My fundamental objection to passive is it by inference suggests you can keep retrying things, which I very much dislike, as "I roll till I get a 20" is the logical conclusion. Passive is then required to prevent this, but it doesnt make sense why you should be limited to a 10 on your d20 roll. Why cant you keep trying till you get a 20? (take 20). Reason of course is game balance, lots of stuff breaks if you take 20 on most situations - adventure lore, locks, traps, hiding for an ambush, scouting for an ambush, etc. My preferred solution is the default is no retries - until something changes in your favour. I understand others think, hell, why cant I retry! The answer is: Game balance man! If you can roll till you get a 20, you just threw random out the window. And the "game" part of RPG is as important a factor for me as the "role" (er, and "playing!"?) In any event, an interesting discussion. [/QUOTE]

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