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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2012953" data-attributes="member: 172">"IMO the bard is the personification of the "travelling minstrel" who by definition makes his magic through music."I really disagree with this notion. It is this notion that has caused most bard supplements to be a dismal failure IMO. BoEM and Song and Silence both try to hoe the same row and in doing so add little variety to the all-too-narrow-as-it-is bard. Path of Magic is the first book that has really tried to push the boundaries of the bard back, which goes a long way towards making the bard a class that has a credible role in a game. The celtic spellsinger is too narrow a concept to deserve a core class, IMO. Expaning the class out to a knowledgable jack of all trades and master of people skills makes it a playable class." I know that people will argue that you have to have a high Dexterity to play an instrument, but the big part of "moving" an audience is the Charisma attribute - how well you can project emotions onto others."Entertaining jugglers have to work the audience as well.That said, to me it really doesn't matter if you use profession or perform; you would still use the same bardic ability rules. Further, even if you do think juggling should use dex, just use dexterity instead of charisma when juggling. The DMG explicitly suggests such things.</blockquote>