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<blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8239772" data-attributes="member: 6801252"><p>Want to call out about recall knowledge- <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Skills.aspx?ID=5&General=true" target="_blank">the description</a> actually alludes to the player trying to recall specific facts several times.</p><p></p><p>And here:</p><p></p><p>Here we see it alluding to information within the statblock:</p><p></p><p>There's also a bit about assesing the skill of an acrobat with acrobatics that feels like its talking about their actual acrobatics skill, with the way the system discusses NPCs.</p><p></p><p>Finally, take a look at <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=205" target="_blank">this feat</a> that has a couple of variants and a spell that all accomplish a version of it. It really only makes sense if the player is the one asking questions and theyre really specific pieces of information the GM can just reference. This is supported by the critical success verbage in recall knowledge as well, that requires a specific piece of information contrasted with additional context chosen by the GM.</p><p></p><p>Its recalling knowledge about a creature, statblock info is knowledge, so absent any guidance, or a house rule by the GM, that exempts statblock info... it really can do that. There are other feats that imply this too, like the Investigator's "Known Weakness"</p><p></p><p>Creature identification, as far as i can tell, is written to purely to name the damn thing, and then calls out extra info to guide the GM into giving them a little common knowledge about the creature. It is not Recall Knowledge.</p><p></p><p>in example, If we were to use it on the Cap, a GM might think it would be sufficient to identify him as a troll, but the way its written also heavily pushes them to tell us he is weak to fire. This would be a completely seperate action, than us asking about his weakest save or ability score using the distinct recall knowledge skill. Its a patch to make identification a little better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The-Magic-Sword, post: 8239772, member: 6801252"] Want to call out about recall knowledge- [URL='https://2e.aonprd.com/Skills.aspx?ID=5&General=true']the description[/URL] actually alludes to the player trying to recall specific facts several times. And here: Here we see it alluding to information within the statblock: There's also a bit about assesing the skill of an acrobat with acrobatics that feels like its talking about their actual acrobatics skill, with the way the system discusses NPCs. Finally, take a look at [URL='https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=205']this feat[/URL] that has a couple of variants and a spell that all accomplish a version of it. It really only makes sense if the player is the one asking questions and theyre really specific pieces of information the GM can just reference. This is supported by the critical success verbage in recall knowledge as well, that requires a specific piece of information contrasted with additional context chosen by the GM. Its recalling knowledge about a creature, statblock info is knowledge, so absent any guidance, or a house rule by the GM, that exempts statblock info... it really can do that. There are other feats that imply this too, like the Investigator's "Known Weakness" Creature identification, as far as i can tell, is written to purely to name the damn thing, and then calls out extra info to guide the GM into giving them a little common knowledge about the creature. It is not Recall Knowledge. in example, If we were to use it on the Cap, a GM might think it would be sufficient to identify him as a troll, but the way its written also heavily pushes them to tell us he is weak to fire. This would be a completely seperate action, than us asking about his weakest save or ability score using the distinct recall knowledge skill. Its a patch to make identification a little better. [/QUOTE]
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