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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7817719" data-attributes="member: 12731">I guess my only comment here is that it is basically not possible any more to discuss "3e core" or "Pathfinder core". Everyone talking about those systems are thinking about PHB + 20 supplements.And that 5E stand out in sharp contrast to those systems. Even after five years, there really isn't any meatier subsystem added to 5E. It's still core and just core. Sure your character might be using a subclass from a splatbook, but very few of those add anything that you couldn't already do. Pro: the core system still holds. Con: new splats feel much like the old splats.We'll see if I return to 5E once they dare branch out into new subsystems. High-level play. Bending concentration and attunement. Psionics. Subclasses with actually new and unique mechanisms. That sort of thing.</blockquote>