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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7818184" data-attributes="member: 957">This is a non sequitur.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The abstract statements you make praising the 2E mechanics could be offered in the same vague way for any RPG out there.&nbsp; And there are other games with much more open math, so leaping from a generic praise of questionable foundation to an unrelated conclusion doesn't really say anything.&nbsp; I DO like the 4 degrees rule.&nbsp; And I see how the fixed math makes that easier to implement.&nbsp; So I appreciate it there.&nbsp; But, unfortunately, the juice isn't nearly worth the squeeze here.&nbsp; I do reject that &quot;relatively small&quot; has anything to do with my disatisfaction. The math informs the mechanics more than the narrative informs the mechanics. (Again, in multiple posts you have demonstrated this fact)Again, this is just a hand wave.&nbsp; If we compare PF2E to chess, then PF2E is the world's greatest RPG by several orders of magnitude. As I said before, the concepts of fighters and wizards, etc etc etc are there. But if you compare it to OTHER high standard RPGs the depth of distinction is lacking.&nbsp; Telling me &quot;it exists&quot; does nothing to take away from the complaint that it doesn't feel right at the table.&nbsp; It doesn't live up to the standard that other games have established.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7818184, member: 957"] This is a non sequitur. The abstract statements you make praising the 2E mechanics could be offered in the same vague way for any RPG out there. And there are other games with much more open math, so leaping from a generic praise of questionable foundation to an unrelated conclusion doesn't really say anything. I [I]DO[/I] like the 4 degrees rule. And I see how the fixed math makes that easier to implement. So I appreciate it there. But, unfortunately, the juice isn't nearly worth the squeeze here. I do reject that "relatively small" has anything to do with my disatisfaction. The math informs the mechanics more than the narrative informs the mechanics. (Again, in multiple posts you have demonstrated this fact) Again, this is just a hand wave. If we compare PF2E to chess, then PF2E is the world's greatest RPG by several orders of magnitude. As I said before, the concepts of fighters and wizards, etc etc etc are there. But if you compare it to OTHER high standard RPGs the depth of distinction is lacking. Telling me "it exists" does nothing to take away from the complaint that it doesn't feel right at the table. It doesn't live up to the standard that other games have established. [/QUOTE]

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